Published May 21, 2026, 9:01 a.m.
9am Cognitive Carbon - Eric Tilton 10am Civic Chain - Justin Harvey, Michael Stansfield, Daniel Durantes 11am BREAKING NEWS Stefanie Lambert Venezuela - Maduro, Alex Saab, elections compromised 9am Eric Tilton - Cognitive Carbon. We will be discussing AI and block chain technology as it relates to how elections could be secured. 10am Justin Harvey, Michael Stansfield, Daniel Durantes. Civic-chain block chain procurement platform where money moves fast, and everyone can watch. Applied to government functions it would allow complete transparency and instant access for oversight and accountability. 11am Stefanie Lambert - Venezuela Maduro - arrests and indictments are going in process!! Maduro and the connections to Dominion are confirmed. Our elections have been compromised by a foreign nation. The proof and the ties to the arrest of Alex Saab, Maduro's book keeper. Venezuela 30% ownership in Dominion. Saab is a Columbian businessman long described by intelligence as a key "bag man" or financial fixer for Maduro ( Venezuela's former president.) His indictment was opened yesterday and we will be discussing the chain of events showing Venezuela involvement in our elections. X/Twitter: https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1mxPaLvBWZbKN Rumble: https://rumble.com/v7a5opk-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-5212026-breaking-arrests-and-indictments-techn.html https://rumble.com/v7a5ol8-bnn-brandenburg-news-network-5212026-breaking-arrests-and-indictments-techn.html Odysee: https://odysee.com/@BrandenburgNewsNetwork:d/bnn-2026-05-21-breaking-arrests-and-indictments-technology-revolution:d BNN Live: https://Live.BrandenburgNewsNetwork.com Guests: Donna Brandenburg, Eric Tilton, Justin Harvey, Michael Stansfield, Daniel Durantes, Stefanie Lambert
Good morning and welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg, and it is the twenty first day of May twenty twenty six. Welcome to our show today. So at nine o'clock, we start out with cognitive carbon. Eric Tilton will be talking about AI and and technology, all things technology. At ten o'clock, we're having civic chain on and the three gentlemen that have developed that. And it's really interesting. I think what they're doing is they're moving the government off of normal channels and doing it on the blockchain, which I think is a, is a great idea. It probably is going to reform the unlawful FOIA process. That's keeping, which is keeping information away from we, the people then at a lot of clock, Stephanie Lambert will be back on so that I think that's going to be fun because we're going to be talking about the breaking news that happened a couple of days ago. She ended up, being called away. She was supposed to be on yesterday, but she ended up getting called away to handle another legal situation, but she's going to be on today. So at any rate, morning, Eric. How are you doing? Good. Good. Fiddling with my settings here. I'm just trying to get things set up right. Yeah, that's a never-ending process, isn't it? Yeah. Yeah. So we've got lots going on. Um, out there and I tell you what, uh, wanted to bring up the fact that Ralph rebound just got disqualified off the ballot. yesterday in a slick move by the state of Michigan, which they did just about exactly the same thing that they did with me when I ran in . He never received a challenge and they just threw him under the bus at the last minute. And that's not the lawful process. That's exactly what happened to me. I was the only candidate that didn't receive a challenge and they ambushed me. So I want to be talking to Ralph about this because we're going to be able to commiserate a little bit on this random disqualification of candidates. And I got to say that when a candidate stays on the ballot to look at it as a market segment that the parties put together in order to capture the attention of different demographics of people or psychographics, they literally will run different candidates to capture the intention of of those people in that segment and then they just they put in the one they want anyway once they're already captured it is a psyop that is indescribably effective you can see it from the outside if you really start thinking about it think about what each of the candidates represents and what part of the market share they're going after by having a candidate represent it But if it's a true candidate, they will never get to the end game because they just installed the puppets. And this happens over and over and over again. So I'll be talking to Ralph about this. And I think Ralph's a nice guy. He's a really, really nice guy. And so is his wife, Carol. So I don't know. My personal opinion is it should be run like a job interview instead of a popularity contest or a message manipulation. But that's all we got right now. Unless, of course, you come to the U.S. Taxpayers Party, which is the Constitution Party in Michigan, which I am the chairman of. And we have been working very, very hard on making our party be, let's say, the disruptor to the Uniparty. I read the declaration yesterday of separation from the Uniparty on the show. And I really do think that That we really need to think better and do a different process here. So, anyhow, what are your thoughts? Well, I was, you know, lamenting this. Popularity contest issue, you know, yesterday, because. You see some of these people that are elected to public office, you know, they're. Congress critters and whatnot and they're. Their main qualification is their popularity, how they dressed, how they looked, what keywords they spoke at the right times. But do they actually have the skills to operate anything? No, they don't. You get people like Bernie Sanders and AOC slinging insults at Elon Musk, for instance. Well, you know, those two have never built anything. You know, they have the gall to tell you that you didn't build anything that you built, you know, in your lifetime that you didn't, you know, that company you built that was worth whatever it was, wasn't your business. your sweat and labor was somebody else's. Um, it just gets really, really annoying to be lectured at by people who have no skills and yet somehow are in positions of power in public office, you know, and then they take that and they, I heard, I heard a quote from, uh, it's one of the ladies in Texas, you know, basically said, I'm, you know, the hundredth most powerful person in the country because of this. In fact, you got elected to office, right? No, you're an employee of me. You work for me. I'm the one paying your salary. I'm the one telling you what I want to see happen. But these people think that they're kings and queens and winning office in the modern system is equivalent to knighthood or sainthood or whatever, but yeah. They've kind of shifted the worship of, I don't know, celebrities from Hollywood to the political arena, which is really sad. I don't think anybody in there should end up being a celebrity status for people to follow. It's a job. They've got a job description. They're supposed to stay in the rails for the job and report to us. I would rather see the American people who have worked and been heroes every day, just going to work, taking care of their families, the ones that live selflessly, not this political industrial complex that's gone on because it is so backwards. When our country was founded, the people who did that, some of them were pressed into service. They didn't want or seek office. They were urged by their compatriots to run and hold those offices sort of unwillingly. There are many other things they could have done or wanted to do with their time, but they were drafted, if you will, by other people to do it. And that's the kind of service I think that we should see more of. I know there are some people in Congress and government that work that way, but there's just not enough anymore. too many of the camera seeking populist and popular crowd type people. But yeah. You know, look at I heard the story about Marjorie Taylor Greene yesterday that I think she sold her house for like one point something million and went and bought something down in Costa Rica for something like four point something million that that should tell you everything you need to know about the intentions of the people right there. Yeah. You know, it's like when the military, when does service stop? If you, if you claim to be an American and you claim to care about not you personally, but you know what I mean? Everybody out there, if a person claims to be an American and we realize that we have a civic duty, the civic duty. Doesn't ever end because we're here to not just sit there on a full-time vacation or playground. It's here to be the adults. and leave something for posterity, that they can carry on and have that, that pride in that, that, you know, that's good and virtuous. Yeah. So where do you want to go from here? You can drive the bus on today. Well, let's take a couple minutes to kind of backtrack on the blockchain for voting thing. We had some technical difficulties last time. Well, and I think that's good. We probably should go over that because civic chain is going to be on at ten o'clock. And last week or two weeks ago when that happened, it was a scheduling, a scheduling problem that was, you know, I'm not sure how it got missed, but it did. That's OK. So they're on today to talk about moving the government onto the blockchain. So going over is great. Yeah, that'll set some good foundation for that conversation. So what I talked about last time, you get to the basics. We talk about Bitcoin and blockchain, people's eyes instantly glaze over or they reach for their wallets because they lost money in Ethereum last year or what have you. But a lot of people don't really understand what's the foundational technology there. Like, what is it built on? Why does it exist? and um when you talk blockchain really the thing you should replace that with is a digital secure public ledger and some of those words you know scare people off too but the word ledger at least should be familiar to most people right so what's a ledger a ledger is just a a document a book um in which you record transactions, when you exchange money for corn or whatever it is, you write down this person gave this much money and this person gave this much corn and they swapped on this date, right? You're, you're writing down the facts of this transaction. That's all a ledger is right. um ledgers have been around since the sumerian culture six thousand years ago we still dig up pieces of clay from the earth over in modern day iraq it has these little symbols poked into it from a stick when we decode the cuneiform what we see is they're ledgers they're grains for beer or you know things that the traders were exchanging so this idea of writing down transactions on a ledger is as old as civilization and um So, you know, in modern modern parlance, now we talk about keeping the books for a business, right? Which is really the same thing. It's keeping a ledger. And when you're keeping the books for the business, what are you doing? You're recording income that you got and you're recording expenses that go out to operate your business. Um, In the betting world, there's also this term of books. And in that world, it means something different. The bookie is keeping track of the bets, right? So somebody places a wager that this team's going to win this Sunday and somebody bets the opposite way. And the bookie is just keeping track of who bet how much money, which way. so that when the event's over and the numbers are known, Bookie can pay out the people who won the bet and collect money from the people who didn't. So that's another kind of ledger, right? In the twenties, of course, when there was There was the mafia and the mob and all that. You had double bookkeeping. You had a hidden set of books, which is another thing people are familiar with. They're still doing it now. They're still doing it, right? We call that government. But anyway, in that case, you've got a ledger that records transactions that you show the world. And then you've got a secret book over here that has transactions that you don't show the world. And that's stuff that you keep off the books, as we say, right? The exchange of money for goods or services that you don't want people to know about. So those are not public ledgers, right? Those are hidden ledgers, the off the books ledgers, and the other ones are the public ledgers. So this whole stuff about cryptocurrency and Bitcoin and blockchain and all that is just a public ledger is really all it is. It's a place to write down in public a transaction that occurs from party A to party B. And it's public in the sense that anybody can see that transaction, right? It also has the property that you can't change it. So, you know, what the bookies can do is they can grab their book and they can get their eraser and they can erase that line they wrote and say, oh, no, that didn't happen. Right. You didn't place that bet. I see it's gone. It's pages blank. A blockchain is a thing that doesn't let you erase the transaction. So it's public, meaning anybody can see it. And it's immutable, meaning you can't erase it. And that's a good property to have. And that can be extended to documents as well as contracts, as well as interactions and such. So if there are any changes made, It's like creating a change order for those of us who do that in business. You create a change order. You don't just make random changes so that there is a paper trail to follow. Right. So let's talk about how Bitcoin started and then we'll work into this idea of using it for documents and contracts. All right. So Bitcoin started as a way for party A to record a transaction of some kind of, I don't even want to call them currency units, let's call them tokens, right? Some collection of thingies. I want to trade them to you for something. it doesn't even matter for what we're trading like i don't have to write down on the blockchain letter that i bought cows from you the only thing i'm recording is my wallet that has this this address this identifier transferred coins to your wallet that's it That's all it records, right? When it started, the notion of who owned the wallet wasn't even public, right? It isn't important to know that this wallet belongs to Donna and this belongs to Eric, right? You can have a private transaction and transfer of funds, if you want to think of it that way, from party A to party B in exchange for goods and services, and it's nobody's business what it was for. Right. Nobody has to know that I bought cows from you and I exchanged Bitcoin to buy those cows. Problem, of course, is the government wants to know what you bought and sold because it wants to tax you or it wants to control your life and not let you buy and sell things that it doesn't want you to buy and sell. And so what's happened over the decades is the identity of the person holding the wallet now is known to the banks or to the brokerage or to the online Bitcoin wallet company or whoever. And the reason is nosy government wants to know the details of that transaction to tax it right but that's not how it started so you know people have a bad taste in their mouth about cryptocurrency these days for good reason some of them have quote unquote lost money you know um trading those things and they think that it's a way to surveil their every expense which wasn't originally true but it is true now and when we talk about you know the um The kinds of cryptocurrency that the governments want us to use, that's their sole purpose is to surveil what we're doing. Taxes control us in surveillance, right? And I'm opposed to those kinds of cryptocurrency, right? The, what do they call that? I've lost the term now, but the, you know, government sanctioned cryptocurrency. So let's step back from that because that's the thing that people don't want. But the point is it didn't originally exist that way, and it doesn't have to exist in the future. We can use cryptocurrencies of digital ledgers, public ledgers, immutable public ledgers for private transactions. Private meaning the identities of the people aren't known. so how does this all work the way it works is these blockchains these digital ledgers use complex mathematics to do some thing and we call that cryptography and that process that cryptographic process is what makes the ledger secure and unchangeable when you commit a transaction to the blockchain if i give you bitcoin or you give me bitcoin a record of that is written into this data file and it's encrypted so that it can't be changed it can be validated though right the whole process of mining bitcoin is is basically the work done to validate the transaction. So some people run computers, twenty four seven, to validate transactions to make the blockchain work. And in exchange for that, they get money, they get bitcoins. So what's the modern equivalent of that? Well, when you go to the store and you swipe your credit card through that terminal, What's going on there? You're in a store, and you're about to exchange money from your account for goods and services in the store. Well, somebody has to validate that you have the money in your account. They don't want you to walk out with a cart full of groceries if you don't actually have money in your account that that card's attached to. So when you swipe that card in that terminal, what's going on is a transaction is being hosted somewhere in a clearinghouse. And that clearinghouse, Visa, MasterCard, whoever, American Express, they're checking to see if you have the money in your account. And if you do, they tell the merchant, yep, that person has that money. Go ahead and sell them those goods. Well, that validation is happening by private companies, Visa, MasterCard, Barclays, whoever. And they're getting paid by the merchants to do that validation, right? So it's like three and a half percent of the transaction these days goes to the card processor just to make sure you have the money in your account, right? They're getting paid a fee to validate that you have the money to spend. Blockchain is just another way to do that without those people being involved. Anybody can run a Bitcoin mining operation. I had one once in my house and all it's doing is validating transactions for other people, doing the same exact thing that that card processing company does when you swipe your credit card. But in this case, the people who are benefiting from that, are the public, right? Not the owners or the shareholders of MasterCard Corporation. It's everyday people who run Bitcoin mining hardware, right? They're simply validating that Donna actually had enough coins to exchange for those cows before the transaction completes, right? And once the transaction is done, then those coins move from her wallet to my wallet and that's recorded, right? So fundamentally, that's what blockchains are. They are open public ledgers secured with cryptography that simply validate transactions historically. so it turns out when you do a transaction on bitcoin you can also attach a message to that transaction so one fact that's recorded is one of you know one of uh donna's bitcoins gets transferred to eric's wallet that that was recorded and the date and the time that this happened is recorded and some other information proving that it was a valid transaction is recorded. But there's also some leftover space on the page, if you will. And you can put notes in there on that transaction. And people have been doing that for quite some time. And they've done things like, you know, on other blockchains like Ethereum, they can record a contract. They can, let's say that you're spying and selling a house. That whole contract that's involved with the real estate transaction can be put on the blockchain, publicly recorded that I transferred ownership in this property to somebody else. That information can get stored on the blockchain along with the transaction. And when you stop and think about that, that's when I was talking about voting, that's the same idea, right? I want to be able to cast a vote. I want that vote to be recorded in some public way, in an anonymous way, right? I don't want my name to be publicly accessible, but the fact that I voted in some way needs to be publicly knowable. And if that happens, then anybody who can access the blockchain can count votes. You don't have to wait for your local elections office or selections office is maybe the right word to use. You don't have to wait for that entity to tell you what the vote was, which you have no way of validating. How do you know that that's what the count is? You don't. And this is why we're talking about paper ballots and hand counts and all that is we don't trust the system. We don't trust those machines that spew out the numbers that say Biden won by this many votes over Trump, right? We have just reason now to not trust those systems because they're black box. They're opaque. They're not publicly visible. The software is not disclosed to us. I can't go look at Dominion's code to see what it's doing. Right. I can't look at a record, a record of the transactions to see that it actually did count my vote and didn't count this other vote. That's not valid. I can't see that detail, but on a blockchain, I absolutely can. And anybody can. And to me, that's a powerful reason to use blockchain for voting is it puts the ability to validate and count the vote back in the hands of the public. Right. I like that idea and I liked what you said about issuing a token. So each person that is a valid voter, not just somebody who was fraudulently registered and such, but valid voters could get a token and it's just to be used in one election and after that it disappears. right so um you know use any kind of analogy you want let's let's say you go to register to vote with your id we still have to have voter id we still have to prove you're a citizen all those things still have to be true but let's say that you go and you prove those things to the appropriate authorities and you get a gift card maybe that's what it looks like is a gift card right And on the day of the election, you scratch off the back. And that's your code to allow you to vote. And then it's done, right? You can't use it again. You toss the net gift card in the trash because your one-time use of that card has occurred. You voted. You cast your ballot. And the numbers on that card were used to sign your ballot, right? That's a way to think about it is when you... flip that gift card over and you scratched off the numbers those numbers sign your ballot and it proves you voted once and only once in your live actual not dead person who's a u.s citizen and not from zimbabwe casting a vote right um that's that's the idea behind all of this we use words like token because that's the language of blockchains Um, but it's really just, it's a, a thing you get in exchange for doing something in this case, proving your identity that allows you to do something in this case, cast exactly one vote on exactly one day on exactly one election cycle. Right. Um, so. This idea of recording information next to the transaction on the blockchain is how you would record the vote. Would you actually put my vote on the blockchain? Not really. You would put something called a hash code on that transaction. What's a hash code? A hash code is an encrypted version of some document. So if I sign a lease, for instance, for a place I'm renting, I might use PDF these days to do that, or I might use DocuSign or some service like that. So what's going on is there's a document with signatures on it, and around that is another digital signature. encrypting the whole thing. And it proves that I signed it at this date and time at this place. And you know, it's, it's a signed lease and I can't go, or you can't go and change that after the fact and modify the lease, change the words in it, change the signatures. It's protected from change by that second layer of encryption. It's locked into place once DocuSign's done with it. Same thing here. I cast my vote. I check some boxes on a ballot. Maybe it's a digital ballot. I check some boxes, make my choices, and that whole thing gets wrapped up in a digital signature just like DocuSign that can't be changed. Nobody can go and alter my vote. It's locked in for all perpetuity. that the key to unlock that is what's stored on the blockchain, not the vote itself, but the key that locked it up is what's on the blockchain. And in the same way, you can use that to encrypt documents. You can have government documents that record certain things, transactions, flows of money, decisions, resolutions, what have you. All the things that we document in government could be wrapped up in a digital wrapper. And the key for that gets stored on the blockchain. and it proves in the future that this transaction occurred, this document existed at the date and time the thing was recorded and it can't be changed. An example that we used last time, which was interesting and it still is interesting, was this screenshot I showed you from a thing called Fortran back in twenty nineteen. Yeah, that's really mind blowing. It potentially is. I'm going to be cautious. So what this screenshot was, it was claimed to be a screenshot capturing something that was posted on Fortran, which is a digital messaging board back in twenty nineteen. And it had to do with the coming covid pandemic and the coming vaccines that would be offered. Did I lose you? No, I'm here. Did it go dark on you? My screen just switched to some other screen. Let me get back to where I was here. You know what? It's like every time we're talking about something important, things seem to go awry a little bit. Thank you, CIA, FBI, whoever you are. This was kind of mundane, actually. My label printing software timed out and popped up something, and it switched the view. Anyway, I'm back. So this four-chan post said, there's going to be a pandemic. It's going to kill millions of people. They're going to make a vaccine. Don't take the vaccine, is basically what this thing said. And the date and the time on it was Right. And it was written in the voice of somebody that said, you know, I'm a knowledgeable insider and I'm anonymous and you should know what I know. And so here it is. Right. If we take it face value that that actually happened, that's mind blowing. Right. Somebody knew that there was going to be a COVID pandemic, and somebody knew that there would be a vaccine created to treat it, and somebody knew that the powers that be would use this to control us. But did that happen? How do we know that that screenshot was valid? I'm not saying it isn't. It very well could be. But I write code every day. This is what I do for a living. And I know that I can go in seconds and change some stuff in a database and make that show up on a web page. And you go to that web page and you say, oh, my gosh, before Chan, twenty nineteen. Look, here's a message ID. Yeah, but I just put that there five minutes ago. I put the date twenty nineteen in there just five minutes ago. How do you know that that's what was there back in twenty nineteen? You don't. Right. Now, if somebody screenshotted that and they stored it, let's say, on the internet archive, whoa, now we know that it actually did exist back at that point in time. So what's another thing I could do? I could digitally sign that screenshot with something called OpenTimeStamps.org. What's that? It's a way to digitally sign a piece of content and put that timestamp on a blockchain. and the hash key, which is the wrapper around it. Now, if I see a timestamp and a hash key, I know that document existed back then. And now we're talking something else, right? Now we're talking receipts for what we assume to be true. Good word, right? You've got the receipts and it's robust enough to stand up in a court of law, right? Because I can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that screenshot was taken in August of twenty nineteen. And now we have to have a really serious discussion about who the heck knew what was going to happen and said those things. Right. Do I believe that that's possibly real? I do. For my own reasons. Why do you think why do you think that it is true? Is it that there are receipts attached to it? Is there a digital stamp to it or or besides, like, you know, somebody always knows what's going to happen. It's whether they speak about it or not. Well, you know, from the research that I did myself back in twenty twenty, I believe that those claims that were made were absolutely valid. Looking back at what's happened through the, I call it COVIDeacy. Every time people say during COVID, I like roll my eyes and I say, no, no, no. During COVIDeacy. Let's use the right word here. That's a perfect word for it. You know what? When it was shocking, all of us that lived through this and will live to tell about this for decades. How shocking it was and how quickly people put their hands up and surrender and capitulated to this nonsense out there. It was shocking to me. Yeah. And, you know, and we all know we live through it. Those of us that were awake or awakened during that time saw the narrative bullshit. We saw the lies. We saw the utter hypocrisy. It was either dumb hypocrisy or it was control. And we know it was control. We know that Gretchen Whitmer had a reason for not wanting you to buy freaking seed packets at the grocery store, but you could go buy liquor. You know, you could go to McDonald's. Right. That was insane. Just insane. So do I think that somebody actually knew these things back in twenty nineteen? I do believe that. Can I prove it? I cannot prove it. Right. Do I wish somebody had put that screenshot on Internet Archive? Yes. Maybe they did. Maybe I just don't know about it. Because if they did, man oh man, that's useful. Because it's a receipt. It's proof, hard proof that somebody actually did know that this stuff was planned. We're inferring it now, but that would be proof that our inference was correct. I was actually told by somebody back in, we were still in the COVID thing, and it was somebody that I believed to be kind of in the know. And he was involved in building some of these facilities where the vaccines or such were things allegedly he, he said he did. And I have no reason to believe that it's not true, but he said that every facility where they produce that sort of thing has a separate building where the antidote is also there because the people that are building these bio weapons, they know that they could get away from them. So they have to have a way to, to fight it. So it doesn't take them out. Right. Thought that was pretty interesting. If you feel like doing some research, go look at Cognitive Carbon Substack. And go find an article I wrote many years ago called Lab Leak. And look at the links that I posted for posterity. in my article about the lab leak. There are some shocking ones there, too. And those, I can say, I can testify existed at the time I saw them. Because I saved them. I was the digital archive at that point in time. And they talk about the history of biological warfare and all the accidents that occurred. in these bio labs all around the world over time. Frightening, right? So yeah, but to circle things back around, I would like to have that proof that some document existed at some point in time. I want to be able to say, I saw that that was in fact what was there on that date and time. That's what blockchain lets us do. So when you start talking at ten o'clock about using blockchain in the government sphere, this is why. It's a way to prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that a document existed at the time it was signed, digitally signed, right? And you can prove that it wasn't altered after that point. those are things that we need in the modern world to hold our governments accountable right um we hear stories from the fbi right now that they found so-called burn bags of documents in some hidden rooms and you know who knows what places so dan bongino will tell you his version of it and cash patel will tell you there is a version of it the fact that secret documents from a government agency were stuffed into burn bags in some hidden room in the basement somewhere should disturb all of us, right? When I heard that, I used to work in that world myself in my younger years. I had a security clearance. I worked in government agencies. Burn bags were a thing to carry a document from your office to the incinerator on the same day. It wasn't a storage unit. It wasn't a locker to keep around for decades. It was a way to transport documents to be turned into ash that same day. The fact that we have burn bags of secret documents is really troubling. Yeah, so there's that. There's that article. So in here, there's a right there. Number four, it says published on GitHub. Be interesting if that link still works, see if that link still works. You hear that? Yeah. There you go. It still exists. So I can tell you for certain that what you will read there was written and existed in April of twenty twenty. And who wrote it? I couldn't tell you, but I know they're experts in their field and it documents all of the disastrous leaks that occurred over time across the world in these biological labs. I try to bring up sources when we're on so that people can see what we're talking about. Cause once again, it's a little more helpful if you can, if you can, uh, provide the, provide the receipts to what we're doing, you know? Right. So that's a great, that's a great word. Um, receipts is a great word and it's, it's the glue that ties this whole conversation together. The purpose of blockchains and, um, you know, Bitcoin and Ethereum is to provide receipts, unalterable permanent receipts. How the cryptography works, I won't get into. I will say that the thing that's that's good about Bitcoin and Ethereum and those things is the code is public source. And that means that anybody who knows how can look at the code and see how it works. And you might ask, why doesn't our voting technology have that requirement? Why did the government not require companies like Smartmatic and Dominion to use open source software. Post your fucking code. Elon Musk did that with the X algorithm, right? If you use Twitter back in the day, you know they were biasing that thing nine ways to Sunday, right? There were flags and tags and keywords and red hat wearing mega people were pushed off to one side and the blue guys got reach and all that stuff. And we know it was gamed all to hell. What we didn't know is how, because the code was hidden from us. Well, last week, Elon Musk published the current algorithm for X to GitHub. Anybody can go see how it works, right? There's no mystery now about how did your post get downranked or upranked or whatever. It's there in the public, in the open. It shows you how it does it. That's good to know because I was one of the people that got kicked off with Twitter when the Flynn's got kicked off. We all kind of got kicked off together because we were talking about things that were uncomfortable. And I got I got shadow banned. I used to run that tool when you see how badly shadow banned I was. And, you know, it was you would go search for your account in the search bar and nothing would come up. Right. You'd search for the post you just wrote and it wouldn't come up. So the code that ran Twitter was private and obscure because that protected their interests, and it was not open source. And Elon has now made the world's most significant free speech platform that's ever existed because billions of people across the world are now using it. And it's threatening governments around the world because they don't like the fact that people can say what they want. Right. In England, if you use Twitter and you say something they don't like, they arrest you and throw you in prison. I've heard they've arrested over twelve thousand people for free speech, you know, anti free speech violations or whatever they say for censorship. They've done it to silence people's voices. That's right. and the reason they're having to do that is because they the left no longer controls the platform see it used to be they could the the government at in in england could phone up jack at twitter and say hey take these accounts down all right thank you and that would just happen right they didn't need to arrest people because they controlled the spigot well they've lost control of the spigot so now they have no choice but to arrest people right nothing left Nothing left to do, right? I wonder how long it's going to work for him because we kind of outnumber him like, you know, a hundred thousand to one. That's right. Well, that's the next logical step, you know, and you look at history, how things progress. But, you know, knowing these facts now, you should say, First of all, if you're for paper ballots and hand counting, bless you. I agree with that, right? The problem is when people hand count, somebody has to transmit those counts to somewhere centrally, right? And that's going to be done over the internet or the phone or something, right? You still have technology. It's not gone. It's just not as obvious to you that technology is being used. It's still there. But for heaven's sakes, require it to be open source. The other thing that I see with it is that the failure point is always human beings. Because even if we have paper ballots, you've got human beings involved in that. And because the United States right now is under a takeover, a communal fascist takeover right now, where the people that are there are in the pay of the corporations, the lobbyists, the foreign governments, etc., etc., I think we've got a problem. And until we have some consequences to people breaking the law that will stick and be painful enough that they aren't going to do it again or they're taken out of circulation so they can't do it again. Either way, that has that's the underpinnings of why things go wrong. Lack of virtue, lack of integrity and theft and all the other stuff that's that can't be dismissed no matter which system we go to. And I know you're on the same page with me on that. We've had many discussions. So that's the broad, you know, to the universe that that is the, that's really, you know, I hope people are picking up on this, that we have to deal with criminal intentions. There has to be a return to a moral society. Morality matters. I've written lots of times that, you know, with regard to AIs, They're coming up with all these, they call them safety rules, right? These, these guard rails that open AI puts. And so what's the guard rail do? It prevents the AI from answering your question. If somebody determines you shouldn't get that answer, right? If you ask for the, you know, how do I make a nuclear bomb? The AI is supposed to not tell you how to make a nuclear bomb. Well, okay. We can debate the merits of that, but the problem is there's a million lines of this safety code being used to determine whether you can or can't get the answer you asked for. Right. Well, what's the real problem? Morality. Suppose that I did get the recipe for building nuclear bombs. Because I'm a moral person who believes in God's word, I'm not going to use it to destroy people. It doesn't matter if I get the recipe for how to build a nuclear bomb because I won't use it to kill people because of morality. How important is this in the world of AI? It's important enough that that Anthropic, the makers of Claude, hired as a philosopher a Catholic priest to help write the constitution, if you will, of future versions of Claude. They finally realized if AI is going to be useful and not threatening to society, you have to have morals. And they've hired a Catholic priest to help put those morals into the brain soul, if you want to call it that, of Claude, right? I don't just use that word soul flippantly. If you know anything about AI, there actually is a file called soul.md, where md is marked down. And what it is is the personality and rules that guide the behavior of that AI. That's what they call it. Right? Is it an unfortunate choice of words? Maybe. That's what they call it. Right? The soul file is the personality and the moral compass of the AI. So it's comforting to know that some of that's been written into it. And it would be more comforting to know that it can't be written out of it. That's true, right? And how would you accomplish that? Blockchain. The rules that guide this AI have to be written in open source to blockchain so they can't be altered over time. That way we have confidence that the rules today are the same as the rules yesterday because they couldn't have been altered. Well, it's like they've tried to alter the morality of even the Ten Commandments or the sanctity of life or anything like that. It's kind of absurd. But you have to be thinking, you know, all the time. I mean, even when you're using AI, you have to think about what you're seeing and question it. And so I think that's an important thing for people to remember is you always got to question everything, question it and see if it makes sense. And thereby doing that, I think it trains us to be smarter and to learn that critical thinking process as we go through life. But, you know, the Ten Commandments, the proper way to frame that is to say that Christian civilizations for the last two thousand years, right, longer than that, because the Old Testament has been around longer. for more than two thousand years have been guided to, you know, create a safe, successful, thriving, healthy, supportive civilization by ten commandments. That's all we needed. We don't need a million lines of U.S. code, right? We need the ten commandments. If you conduct yourself according to those ten commandments, Society thrives and is healthy. You don't need all those other laws. Because what's kind of interesting is how the Jews added another six hundred and forty eight commandments or rules or engagements to the Ten Commandments, which is kind of like what they did to the U.S. government. You know, not like the laws back in the founders were good enough for them. So and I'm not saying it was just Jews. I was saying it's the, you know, greedy, non-humble parasite class that we've got running around the globe that wants to control everything and kill us all. you know if you look at you know if you look at us code just by itself there's probably hundreds of thousands of pages that ultimately all trace back to do not steal right come on how many different ways do you need to tell me to not steal don't steal this don't steal that with a mask on don't steal that on a tuesday if you're wearing if you're holding a gun right it's it's insane it's Let's run through those a minute. We'll see how simple this is. Actually, this is so simple. And honestly, I really don't know if people really, I think most of the people here probably have read through them because they wouldn't put up with me if it weren't. I want to see if I can find a good source while I'm online other than just a, okay, here we go. Bible info. Here we go. I love this doing research when we're online. It's kind of fun. Sometimes it works out. Sometimes it doesn't. But you know what? It's always authentic here. So you get what you get live and sometimes it goes awry. So Ten Commandments, pretty simple. Significance of, okay, we're going to, there you go. This is pretty, pretty darn simple right there. Check this out. Number one, you shall have no other gods before me. Don't worship nothing except for God because he is the only one that's perfect. You shall make no idols. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. Keep the Sabbath day holy. Honor your father and mother. You shall not murder. You shall not commit adultery. You shall not steal. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. You shall not covet. Those are pretty simple. Going back to being the chairman of the Constitution Party here in Michigan, what I see, I see so much of this. Honestly, you can make a case study in different segments of how people have been divided and know every single action has something to do with the Ten Commandments. You know, so let's start with you shall not covet all of the competition we see in society would go away. If people were, would stop trying to best each other, be the smartest, be the most beautiful, be the most knowledgeable, be the most, uh, to the richest or, or have the best house or the best car or any of that. If we got rid of that and just thank God for where we are and said, and we're content in all things, all of this nonsense and criminality would go away because if we didn't have the, you know, you shall not covet, we wouldn't have stealing, you know? I mean, it's all that sort of thing. That one, thou shalt not covet, basically does away with communism in one swoop. What it's saying is, it says, don't resent others and desire their property, right? right that that resentment that um you know um jealousy is what that means don't be jealous of somebody else's property well if you live your life by the tenth commandment thou shalt not covet can't be communist you can't be socialist either because you're basically coveting somebody else's time or labor or goods or money It really does boil down to the simple things. I know you've got people coming on, so let me just do some quick hits here. Yeah, we've got a few more minutes left. Hi guys, I see you backstage. If you visit Cognitive Carbon Substack and you just go to the homepage and you look at my most recent article, it's about Matthew four, seventeen. If you have an interest in that I encourage you to read that most recent post. It describes something that happened while I was driving. I was headed back home from Indiana last week. And instead of listening to radio, I decided to chat with Grok. And I saw a billboard that I was curious about what the words meant on that Bible passage. And so I got into a conversation with Grok about that. And I wrote the result of that experience in that article. So if you, if you're skeptical about AI and you think, you know, you, you listen to all these silly things that chat GPT doesn't know how to count the numbers of, you know, the letters a and the word strawberry. If you think these AIs are dumb, maybe this will change your mind because I had one that explained to me a Bible passage and recited to me that passage in the original Greek. Grok actually spoke the original Greek of Matthew four, seventeen while I was driving. That's pretty cool. Right, and then it translated into Latin and it told me what the Latin meant. Right, so here I have a tool and assistant that turned my car into a classroom and taught me something about the Bible and Greek and Latin and history while I was driving. That's a good use case for AI. And what do we need to provide AI to the masses? We need data centers. And that's a hot button topic. I wrote some posts today about that on Twitter. I know people are polarized. Stop and think, right? Go look at my post today. If you're going to have a strong opinion, that's okay. Just make sure the facts back you up. So when you hear things about water and electricity, you're being misinformed, right? And I completely shredded an argument somebody made and Vandersteel reposted this post about Utah's new data center and how it's going to, you know, basically bake the whole state and turn it into an oven if we allow these data centers to be built. It's bullshit. The sun puts out four hundred and eighty eight thousand times as much energy every day than that data center. Right. That's not the right reason to oppose it. The water is also not, it turns out, and I'll save that for another day, but there are some, some facts. I, I shredded somebody in San Antonio who was complaining that the new data centers in San Antonio wasted four hundred million gallons of water. Okay. Okay. San Antonio itself tells you that they lose twenty billion gallons of water every year to leaks. You're worried about four hundred million gallons being used in a data center and you're not worried about twenty billions just leaking out of your faucet and your your your sprinklers. Come on. Well, and I think the thing of it is, is that, you know, we do we study a AI together, actually. You know, it's it's kind of a fun, fun thing. I mean, Eric and I are friends and and such, and we study it together. And he's the one that really teaches the class on it because he's the he's He's the tech guy that sits there and messes with it all day, which is kind of cool. The thing that I found with AI is that they're really afraid of if you run an unmoderated AI, which we do, you've got what we use the other tools, but we also run an unmoderated AI rather is that they're scared to death because it's going to tell the truth. Then that they, if they, can't cover their tracks, which an unmoderated AI exposes them, you know, we, we've, they've got a problem and, and we're it at that point in time. So, but there's several things I've heard about it too, which I find really interesting. One of our, one of our, let's just say anon friends who shall remain anonymous brought it up to me that, you know, just, he was being a smart aleck on a post that I wrote and I was like, Okay, Brandenburg, get your head out here and look at this a little deeper. He said, yeah, you know, I've heard that they're putting power plants in all of these AI centers. So Brandenburg's thinking camp goes on and goes, huh, wouldn't that be a slick way to decentralize the power grid that nobody knows is going on? And huh. Wouldn't that be amazing since these AI centers are completely obsolete before they're even finished and you can't get old equipment anymore for people to get started, but it's better than what all of us have on our regular computers and such. Wouldn't that be amazing if you could decentralize things by pirating the equipment in these data centers? Access power capacity. What's that? Excess power capacity. I've been writing for decades about decentralizing the grid. Have to. I have to. It's like, this is the problem. If you go to electric cars, which Eric has an electric car, okay? I don't hold it against you, but at any rate, I also own a horse for transportation and you don't hold that against me. But the end of the day, that if they control the electricity, think about this as opposed to the petroleum products, gas and oil, which President Trump is restoring right now. We talked about it for a long time on yesterday's show and the dynamics and how that's happening. If you've got one system for for natural gas and electric, they can turn you off, boom, like that. If you've got service stations that have the ability to take in shipments of gas and oil, you've got a more decentralized system right there, as long as they don't have a Koretsu going, which is the Japanese word for supply line monopoly. But all of these things are concurrently running. And all I can say is, thank God Almighty, For the white hats and the good people that are still fighting this behind the scenes, for President Trump, General Flynn, Admiral Rogers, I mean, there's a boatload of names that we can say here because I really do believe very positively that we're going in a good direction. It's just going to take a little faith here, guys, you know, not being like a stupid horse. Be more like a mule, you know. Stand your ground, watch what's going on, and don't jump off the freaking fear cliff because that's a straight shot down to stupidville. Yeah. Anyhow, thanks for coming on today, Eric. I really actually like this way to approach this going before civic chain. And I'm going to encourage everyone to stay on for the next hour. It's going to be great. It's going to be fantastic. And so I think what we're going to do here is I'm going to go for a little break here with our intro and I'm going to stand up and stretch a little bit. I got three and a half hours on this today and it's a little hard to sit in the seat that long, but thanks for being here. Go to my Telegram or X account, which is at Brandenburg for MI, the number for MI, and you can find all these links on that, but I'll be right back and we'll be going to civic chain. Thanks, Eric. Good morning and welcome to the second hour of Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg and it's the twenty first day of May twenty twenty six. Welcome to the show. And I'm kind of excited to talk to my next guest here because playing around a little better working in the public, in the government and seeing all of the nonsense going there and then trying to keep information from us. I think we need a better system because right now it would have to improve just to suck. So good morning, guys. How are you? I'm Good morning, Donna. How's it going? I'm doing great. So we have Michael, Daniel, and Justin. It's very nice to have you here today. I'm excited that Matthew made the connection to us and I got looked over your website and know a little bit about the blockchain and such. And I think what you guys are doing is brilliant. Yeah, great. I think Eric is a good act to follow, to be honest, because blockchain is not, it's not sexy technology. It doesn't get people's attention. When you bring it up, you hear, oh, is that that meme coin thing? Is that the FTX thing that blew up? So it's been a tough trail to kind of blaze for a mature market product using blockchain for a real use case to actually impact real people and have tangible results on people's lives. And so we're definitely blazing that trail right now. Thanks for having us. Yeah, that's great. Well, what's amazing is how people are so predisposed to stay with what's familiar because everything is scary when it's new. And I think that that's one of the things we need to really talk about is just because something is different doesn't mean it's inherently bad. We have to approach all things without the conditioned bias that they've all brainwashed us with over the years. and listen to things and critically think. Look for things. If it doesn't work out, you can look for the truth and expose it. But we might just be finding better ways of doing things in a system that totally sucks. That is the goal. That is the goal. But you're absolutely right. Discernment is a powerful tool, and it belongs to each individual. And I think that was the biggest lesson through Corona and all the overreach and all the things we all lived with and dealt with the last couple of years was learning to really think for yourself and decide what's right for you, what's right for your family, regardless of what you're being told by anybody, whether they're an expert, you know, proclaimed or not, you know. And so ultimately what we did here at Civic Chain, and obviously I'll give Justin and Dan a chance to jump in here in a moment, but ultimately what we did is we took the concept of blockchain transparency, which Eric just talked about a bunch of great examples of ways You can take blockchain and make something immutable. You can make it transparent. You can make it tamper proof. And if it becomes tampered, it becomes self-evident by anybody involved. And so our goal is to take that and apply that to municipal and government contracting. And so the goal being that every penny that is spent is a live action transaction. that everybody and when i say everybody i mean everybody whether you live in the town that's procuring services or you live in uzbekistan or you live in kazakhstan you're going to still be able to see those transactions and be able to verify okay they put a thousand dollars aside for clearing this road and the thousand dollars was spent on clearing the road or they put fifty thousand dollars aside for x and instead it went to something different and we see that now And so the real pitch I make with Civic Chain is that we're not looking to tell people what to vote for. We're not looking to tell people what to spend their money on or towns or any other place you have a group of people that are pooling resources to get a mutual service, whether it's a road, whether it's a highway clearing, whether it's whatever, snow plowing, whatever the thing is. We can even work for HOAs for like anything, you know? And so whatever it is, we just want it to be transparent. So I'm going to take a minute. I'm going to turn it over to Justin and Dan and see what they want to add. Gentlemen. Well, I'm already unmuted, so I'll go next, Dan. Yeah, thank you very much for having us, Donna. This is a real pleasure, and it's always great to get together with like-minded people and talk about the good things that we're trying to do. I think at its core, like Michael said, We're just trying to add transparency to a very muddled kind of sector. And often as you'll see in this space, things just kind of get memory hold. So I think that in order to have a constructive discourse or conversation about progress, you need to start with the fundamentals and that's truth. So that's basically what we're doing is trying to bring a single source of truth to local government and, well, government of all sizes, but obviously starting at the municipal level, just because I think that impacting the microcosm is how you make a bigger change. But yeah, the real foundation is just starting with truth. That's good because we've had a real problem in the township that I live in. And I can tell you right now that they drain three billion gallons of water out of the aquifer underneath us. My well was the first to go and they're like, nothing happened here. And then you dig into the contracts and figure out that they're buying flowers from a local florist, hotel rooms and all that sort of stuff that unless people spend a lot of time digging for things, you can't find it. And they hide under the FOIA process for a while. And this is nonsense. Yeah, that's one of our trigger words, actually. So you'll see all of our heads move when you say FOIA is we kind of make FOIA obsolete with this project. So I'm totally loving you guys at this moment in time. And because this nonsense, they have written it in. They've written protections into the law, the alleged pretended law for themselves in order to hide their crimes. yeah i'll say what everybody else doesn't want to say because they don't want to get sued i like debate people maybe they'll sue me and then we'll beat them up in court so that's awesome dan what do you have dad hey don thank you for having us um In addition to what Michael and Justin were saying, really, the thing that makes Civic Chain really great is that no single party can alter any of the solicitations or contracts. Everything's kind of solidified in the blockchain ledger itself. It's a public ledger. Anyone can view it at any time. If you do want to make a change, then you have to make an amendment of an actual new solicitation and new contract or just saying what you changed. And that's public information that's on the record. Not even the vendors, not the cities, not even civic chain itself can change these details without telling the public. I would think of this as our modern way of founding fathers way of saying checks and balances in the twenty first century. That's it. Love it. Well, we'll continue to talk on about this and what you guys have created, because it really does look look like a good option for us because it looks like it'll be highly cost effective. Because it will cut the waste and it will cut. There's so many ways I can see this cutting operation or operational costs. Yeah, our goal is not to remove people from the process either. That's the best part is we do this. It's kind of like if you think about if you were to go from Telegraph to the Internet, the amount of the technology stack basically gains efficiencies that then reduce margins from the entire process. So the fact that we are upgrading the technology stack and able to use something that is like, for instance, there are tons of blockchain ledgers where it's fractions of a fraction of a penny per transaction. Whereas today with MasterCard or Visa, that's what, two and a half percent, three percent right there, right off the top. That's that's real property tax savings. When you think about it, at the end of the day, every place a good example Justin has given in a lot of our documentation would be there's a certain like a a margin that vendors build in for uncertainty. So for instance, if I think I'm going to win this contract and I think the award date is on the first, but I'm not able to actually get I have ten contractors I'm going to put out to work on the road, but I can't get them out there for three weeks until the pay actually cycles through or what have you. There's a certain amount of unsurety in there that gets baked into the price. If we can literally issue a card the day it's won and have people working an hour after the contract is won that fast. And so right there, automatically, you know, that's just more services the end user is getting with no additional cost. That's just amazing. Yeah, absolutely. And at the end of the day, people ask me, oh, why are you doing this? I had a guy I went to a I go to work with the Republicans. I work with the Democrats. I've worked with actually had a really good conversation with Ed LaPlante from the Constitution Party yesterday. He had great things to say about you. I'm working with everyone because my goal is if you want transparency and especially if you want small government, I'm your best friend. And at the end of the day, anywhere I can get traction with this, I want to because I know it's going to help people when they see the actual savings, when they see the trend. I mean, this is a level of transparency that people don't even understand is possible with government until you show them. And I intend to show them. I like that you talked about it. I like it. He's a he's a great guy. We had such a fun time in Philadelphia. In fact, he was in our our Car of of his hilarity. Let's just put it that way. We were laughing the whole time that we were going to things. It's just a great group of people who are who are getting to be human together and doing it with purpose, with where we were going, which is really fun. You know, and he brought up the fact that. This could work, too, towards getting signatures or or something like that. And I got to tell you, so I was removed off the ballot twice illegally in twenty two. And I've come back as I ran for governor and I've come back and been suing everybody. And we've won. We've won some things. But yesterday, another governor candidate and the Republican ticket. I'm the chairman of the Constitution Party in Michigan. But but the because I switched off of the criminality there. And but he was removed yesterday because of the alleged signature problems. And so and Ralph's a nice guy. I know Ralph. I know his wife, Carol, and such. They're nice people, but he never got a challenge. So he never got a chance to answer it, such as myself. They ambushed him. So how would this work with the signatures that, you know, especially I know Ed said that you guys were were addressing that. Yeah, so that's it's a touchy one when it comes to elections. So we do have voting baked into our platform. We do have a patent on that for a it's not a one to one voting, though, which this is just current functionality. And obviously I'll turn to Dan so we can talk to hypotheticals and things we can do down the road. But our goal is that when procuring municipal services, the town's members can actually come in and vote before the service is procured. And so that's one unheard of. Two, it gives a feedback loop that didn't exist before. And so the goal being within the patent, and I don't want to go too far into the details, but basically think of it like it's not checking who you are, it's checking where you are. So it'll check based off of your IP address. I just lost myself on the screen. Can you see me? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We'll talk about anything important, of course, is going to be a glitch here. Oh, yeah. Just like the institutional metals exchanges, every time they start running out of metal, there's a glitch and they freeze up. That's a whole nother story. Or elections. Watch what happens. President Trump's winning. Oh, no. We've got to go straight up in the air. Yeah. I'm not trying to rig it. I don't trust any of that at all. I just I and I told I had a podcast with Matt recently. I said I said I unregistered to vote in, I think, twenty sixteen or twenty eighteen. I just the system didn't serve me. And I'm like, I'm going to go fix this in a different way. But anyway, back to voting. So with our with our patent, though, basically they vote before the service is procured. So you see how aligned the people are with the select board. The select board makes their decision. So again, you get to say, OK, was ninety percent of the people in line with that decision or were ten percent of the people in line with that decision? And so it adds a reconciliation loop there. We do have a piece for if something like the SAVE Act or a digital ID or something like that came out. I mean, I'm a practical man. I see the King of England out there wearing his fancy robe saying, thou shalt digital ID. I see it everywhere rolling. If it happens, OK. If it doesn't happen, honestly, even better. But we're prepared for that. In an event where there is blockchain-based voting, a side note, the Department of Homeland Security did put out a contract a few years ago for an alternative to the social security number based on blockchain so i my spidey senses are tingling there um as far as for the future for actual voting dan i'm sure you could describe the blockchain functionality and things we could potentially do i don't want to make a claim that we can do this today but we could potentially bake into the platform using the technology Yep, we absolutely could, as long as we keep away from any of the personal information, obviously, and we don't violate any of those rules and regulations. But we can record when, where, and what was voted for. That's amazing. So tell me some more. I mean, you guys can drive the bus on today's show. It's like when we come on here, it's like having coffee with a friend and we can go into all sorts of different areas and we're good with that. Everybody here is used to following rabbit trails everywhere. Great. Yeah, I got a couple of things. I actually was hoping to talk about the bond market today, economics a little bit. There's a reason, though, ultimately, because I'm a big macro environment guy. I mean, as a kid, my dad was a chess player and I was three, four years old playing against him. And like, I've always had like a strategy mind. I played. I'm a nerd. I'll admit it. I played RPG video games where you spend a lot of time strategy and thinking out, you know, where are you going to go and what you're going to do? And so I look at things. I look at the macro environment. I look at the bond market, for instance. They've been saying rate cuts now for, what, three years? And even while the dude was saying it, the first time he said it, I want to say it was September. Seventeen twenty twenty four. Don't quote me, but look it up. I think it was three point seven percent yield on the ten year Treasury. Now, keep in mind, this sets mortgages, this sets car notes. This is a big deal. This is how money gets moved when people are actually coming together and making deals. It's for today. I last I saw the thing was four point six something. And so I've heard the word rate cut come out of the guy's mouth five times now, yet it's going up the entire time. And it has never gone below where the guy started saying rate cut, which tells me the bond market is unanchored, which tells me the currency system that we all use every day is unanchored. And so when I look at that, I kind of feel this, not a tension in my chest, but a drive to make our system ready as soon as possible. I have a feeling major instability is on the horizon due to this. Nobody talks about the bond market. And I can actually share a chart really quick. You know what? Hell, let's do it. Just to take a little peek. I'll be a technical analyst for a minute. You've got ten minutes, Mike, then we're back on. I'll give you about two words of it here. Let me... Well, we were talking about that yesterday, too, about what's happening in the global markets. And, guys, it's only existing because we believe it is possible. I'm going to go ahead and put it up for you. It only exists because we believe the system works. There's nothing there. This is like it's just paper, but there's nothing there. I'm glad you recognize that most people don't. I try to explain money to people and I don't have a lot of money, but I know a lot about money. I've studied it because we spend our whole life doing work to accrue it. Why wouldn't I want to understand it? Right now, I'm showing you the bond market. This is the U.S. ten-year yield. This is all based on IOUs. This is belief. This is confidence. This is a man who's the head of the Fed, writes the word bond on a piece of paper, just writes it on a piece of paper and says, hey, bro, I'm good for it for thirty years, I swear, and I'm going to pay you more over the course of which. And if you believe him, you buy the bond. If you don't, let's be real, which the market has been doing, you don't buy the bond. A couple of good examples. I keep hearing the meme out in the public. Again, what's truth, what's not? Oh, look, the foreign demand for treasuries is so high. The foreign demand is so high. It's like four accounts out of the Cayman Islands buying thirty percent of them. Honestly, it's like it's a total shell game, total BS. And then you have the U.S. Treasury itself and the Fed are buying them to the tune of about ten to forty billion dollars a month. So if you think about they print the bond from nothing. from nothing they use the bond and the currency to buy each other from nothing and they call it economic activity so we're looking right now this is the ten-year yield as you can see keep in mind this is the nineteen twenty five you're looking all the way through the forties here you're looking at the blow-off top in the seventies into the eighties where rates went up to what is that fifteen sixteen percent so you're looking at like an eighteen percent mortgage maybe a twenty percent mortgage that happened and that happened not that long ago there's a reason i'm showing this history during this period between the seventies and eighties we had three waves of inflation each one larger than the last what does that sound like so now let me roll over and concentrate the view so we had forty years of a downtrend in the bond market this is why everybody thought money was so great i see a lot of towns and this actually makes me really sad i can look through the bonds municipal bonds that towns have and a lot of towns are underwater on a credit card this type of credit card. They buy a lot. It's a municipal bond, but it's still just a bond from the bond market. Somebody wrote bond on a piece of paper and then money goes poof and appears. But for forty years, a lot of these towns and municipalities have been able to take a bond and it looks good on paper, i.e. hey, we took a million dollar bond at five percent, but then we rolled it over into another million dollar bond at, you know, three and a half percent on the way down. And so your payment every month went lower. The amount of money you received to use it went higher. But in all reality, you weren't being a good trader. You were just observing a forty year trend in a market. As you can see, this broke in twenty twenty. It spiked through that forty year trend line. And a forty year trend line is not something to joke about. It's not something you You want to take it seriously. If the market does something for forty years, there's a reason. And then it spun up. And this is where we saw all the fear recently, like Silicon Valley Bank blowing up, things of that nature. So now I'm zooming in on where we are right now. Now, keep in mind, each one of these little candles represents one month. I think that probably would have been a better way to explain it. But as you see here, we topped and I was watching this very day back in October twenty twenty three. It hit five percent and it stopped there. That was it. It took all these years and all this time. Remember, this is where they're saying rate cut, rate cut, kind of like safe and effective. Do you remember safe and effective as a mantra? This is rate cut as a mantra. They did the same thing. They stacked the entire world, the entire market on one side, believing safe and effective rate cuts. Meanwhile, this thing, and this is that three point seven percent right here, three point six percent. This is the candle from when the dude said rate cut right there at the bottom of that entire trend. Here we are today. So we have a thirty eight month pennant. So a thirty eight month formation. that they've been moving in i've been watching every day all the way through and last friday it broke out through the top what does that tell me there's going to be a rapid acceleration in the rate at which bonds yields go up the price of them goes down when the yield goes up this is the yields by the way i'm showing you what that means is that say you you take a million dollars and you go and buy a million dollars worth of bonds at five percent then tomorrow the market is offering five and a half percent, you've got a million dollars in discounted underwater bonds. Because now if any guy off the street can go buy a bond at five and a half percent, why the hell would they want your five percent bond? They wouldn't. Here's the scary part. Every bank in America and mostly worldwide is underwater on these things. They are. When you put a million dollars in the bank, that bank takes it, turns around and goes and buys bonds. They don't have your money. Bank vaults are full of mouse turds. There's nothing going on in there. They don't have your money. They put it in bonds. They're underwater in bonds and the bond market is losing control right now. technically they have a fraction of your money mike you know don't worry about it yeah yeah try to get more than five grand in cash they think they want forums they yell at you they ask you questions they interrogate you it's your money though i swear so i'll stop sharing now but the reason i wanted to share that was just to show in a macro environment situation That is instability. That is forty years of perceived stability, followed by a rapid burn up in the bonds, followed by three years of what's called consolidation. All markets are sine waves. Nature moves in sine waves. Nature moves in seasons. It's a natural pattern. I'm watching that sine wave correct down to the bottom and shoot back up right now. I would expect the next probably sixty days we're going to be hearing a lot of panic around this and the fact inflation is coming back with a vengeance. And that's I feel bad. I went to a Democrat county meeting recently. The main economic policy center gentleman was there. Garrett was his name speaking. We can save that conversation and what they were talking about for economics for another time. If you like or I can go down that rabbit hole. It's up to you guys. This is this is your time to talk about whatever it is that you want to you want to talk about. So great. I've got a piece on theme and bonds, Mike, whenever you want me to wrap up the bonds part. I will turn it over to you in just a second, sir. The other thing is if you guys want to come on again next week at the same time, we can have you back on next week at the same time and continue the conversation. I typically like the second time I have people on as much or more than the first one because we continue it on and the discussion gets a little deeper and more information come out. I love that. Cool. Yeah. I can go down rabbit holes. I'm trying not to as best I can, but my mind does the rabbit hole thing. Cause once you start going down and you always find something to chase and it's always fun. I love that. That's a, that's a wonderful, that's a wonderful weaponized autism skill that we all have. You're not wrong. You're not wrong. Yeah. It's fantastic. You know, have somebody who has a little bit of autism going on and we will stick with that till we get to the very last thing that we can dig about it. But at the same time, it's the Anon meme, you know, the oddest Anon. It's, there's a lot of people out there that have a lot of skills that, especially like the late millennials, early, or I should say late, late, late Gen X, early millennials, where you kind of saw both worlds, where you lived in the world of the, you know, you remember seeing rotary phones in people's houses when you were kids, but now you also live in the total like discord, degen, put a cartoon frog face kind of thing on world. Yeah, long live Pepe. You see the whole thing. But my point being, this lady was talking at the town hall and she was basically saying, hey, the Democrat Party, she's like, when does something happen at the state or federal level? Because we tell you our problems all the time. We tell you what's going on. I'm a business owner. This was her speaking. I'm a business owner. I'm X amount years old. I run my business. My health care costs have gone up three X for myself and my employees in the last four years. When does somebody actually do anything? And I watched the speaker basically shush her, basically tell her your concerns aren't real. Your problem isn't real. We're not talking about that. We're talking about these other things, your business and the cost of doing business, which is getting destroyed. We're not talking about that. So I had to stand up and speak at that meeting. And I did. And I actually got some attention, including from a congressman who's coming over on Tuesday to talk about implementing civic change in his local municipality. That said, in talking that day, though, I did bring up I said I had somebody asked me, like, what's your what do you what is your motivation? You know, and I got called a plant for the first time, which is wonderful. My wife and I both got called plants. They're like your plants. I'm like, no, I'm just just a dude that's tired of paying for stuff that doesn't serve him. I'm tired of watching kids get blown up in foreign lands for money that I'm supposed to say it serves me. It doesn't. It doesn't pay better for your clients. Say again? We'd be paid better if we were plants, Mike. Oh, yeah. No, absolutely. Somebody needs to pay me. No, but that was the thing. And I said, my motivations, of course, I'll make money with Civic Chain. My other founders will make money with Civic Chain. But if we can save people money on their property taxes, we can add a level of transparency to government that didn't exist, and we can make money doing it. I am morally completely sound with that. And that was my takeaway. And I kept getting called a plant. You're just here to cause. And I said, no. I said, the reason I'm here ultimately, and I'll be crude, I'll be honest, I'll be open, right? One, I'm tired of seeing people cry in the grocery store. No joke. I've experienced that twice now. And it disgusts me to see. I remember the days people had full carts. They had a whole family. Everybody's there. Everybody's doing. Now it's like they got the little cart. They're pushing what few things they can. And they're making some really struggling decisions doing it. I said, I'm tired of seeing that. And two, I have a longtime friend of mine, friend of mine. He was my ambulance partner on the ambulance back in when I did nine one response in New Hampshire in two thousand seven, two thousand eight. He he works in the ER now as a medic slash EMT intermediate. They're helping the nurses triage and take care of patients. He had a friend of his from high school come in that he hadn't seen in a lot of years who put a plastic bag on his head and shot himself in the head because he was so depressed about the state of things. And I don't want to be morbid in talking about that, but I want to say it's very real, the situation we're in. We're in a currency to basement era where people's money just isn't buying them the things it used to. It doesn't buy them the food. It doesn't buy them the goods. And it's slipping away. And I believe a level of transparency can buffer that. I believe a level of transparency may even change that trend back around. if applied at scale so that was my there's a story and a story and a story there but really my point is i want to get to a point where i don't hear about those things happening because they don't need to happen anymore because people are better off people are you know they have more food in their pantry they can grow things without the government attacking them that's probably a good example i'm a farmer too and the ridiculousness to go and sell my food at market i just give it away to my friends because it's easier than dealing with all the shenanigans like like the the corporation of government that's currently still trying to sell me corona shots still today at every cvs every walmart every they're all still hey what you do with your body is up to you the judgment does not belong here right but at the same time the company that's actively trying to put gene therapy products in my body is telling me i can't sell fresh sourdough to my neighbor because that's dangerous it's just man i could go on all day It's insane, but on a rabbit trail for what you just said about the vaccines, have you ever looked into the fact that it is sort of like the opposite of what Jesus did and said? And so it's kind of amazing when he said, this is my body, which I break for you. And what did the progressives say? This is my body, my choice. My wife made a big deal about that originally because she said, yeah, all I hear is my body, my choice, but now I want to make a choice about my body, and I'm being told I'm not allowed to. It's the wrong choice. Yeah. It's kind of interesting, though, you know, that I went through it yesterday. It's a complicated situation, but it's actually really, really interesting. I don't want to derail this too far, but very interesting. Yeah. Yeah, I just I look at that whole thing. It's very personal to me. And I don't want to make this all about Mike Story Hour. I really don't. But I was a state medical operations officer here in Maine for the Army National Guard. Two thousand twelve, two thousand thirteen, fourteen actually was enlisted as a combat medic, which is why I had my EMT. And I commissioned as an officer into the main guard here. And I served as the medical operations officer here for the state. pandemic response plan there were times i worked with uh we did rehearsals for uh they call points of distribution where in the event of a real pandemic you know you need your supplies your prophylaxis your respirators things like that you can drive through the armory parking lots and pick up your supplies there's there are plans in place and supplies in place and i just i watched that and it gave me a perspective at that time when i see this whole thing rolling out i know better And I'm being told, no, that's not a thing. Just don't worry about proper HEPA filtration, the micron levels of what can get into your gas map. Don't worry about it. Just wrap your face in plastic and be scared. Do whatever Pfizer says. Wrap your face in plastic. Be scared. That's the agenda. And it never sat right with me. And that's actually the birth of Civic Chain was during that era. I said, this is crazy. This is absolute garbage that I have to wrap my face in plastic to go buy food. I'm not going to do that. It's amazing. They gave us enough time to come back and combat them and develop the plan to disregard anything they say in the future because we had enough time to sit at home and maybe really think about how crazy the entire world has been. People told me that the bad guys were winning. And I said, if they're winning, they're doing a horrible job because everyone I know is questioning everything and planting tomatoes. So I think we're winning. I think we're okay. Yeah, I kind of liked not going to the grocery store for a while. It was pretty nice. Well, not so much the grocery store, right? Because that's a private company. Ultimately, they can do what they want. I'm not going to fight with them about it, ultimately, because it's somebody who owns that business. If they want to do that, cool. But when I'm told, for instance, you have to go in town hall, you have to register your car, you have to go in there. Oh, by the way, to go in there, you have to cover your face in plastic. No. So to bring it back to the product, I would say that people aren't cynical about the government because they're lazy, but they're cynical because they've been burned and they've been told that money went to one place and it actually went to another or we're building the infrastructure that. you need, but really things are just hidden or obfuscated. So we happen to make government readable and you don't have to trust, but also verify. And I think that With all our verticals we have like a few things in common with all of our verticals and one of them is to address information Asymmetry where one party knows more than the other we address the trust gap where citizens and investors have to take someone's word for something And we also address the tamper proof records So things sometimes can be changed like Dan was saying hidden or manipulated after the fact we address that as well but you know Whether your tax dollars are spent or managed, we want to kind of produce a better view of that because you can, the bond market was a really good one for Mike to bring up just because of, it's kind of like a slow tsunami coming at you and nobody is able to really see it through the weeds and trees of a messy government. And then all of a sudden it hits you and it's too late. So I think we're just kind of clear cutting some overgrowth of what the government has become. And ultimately, to your point about investors, that's a big point. So I talk about like people in the grocery store and I bring all these things up for a reason, kind of laying a foundation for the conversation we're having. But ultimately, it's because those people are the ones I care about. At the end of the day, that's I'm one of them, right? Like I buy groceries, too. It hurts. And I say, how do we fix that? I've had actually a bunch of friends who work in the industrial space give me a heads up and say, if you bring your product in, very likely there's going to be large investment there. Because I know you and Eric, for instance, we're talking about energy infrastructure, data centers, things of that nature. The data center conversation aside, I keep my eyes on that one closely. I get where a lot of people are coming with their complaints. But two, I can also see where it becomes a piece of infrastructure. And the patterns I've seen have been if a data center shows up somewhere, a power plant will show up next to it and then some roads will show up next to it. And so it's almost like those are the places where you're seeing that infrastructure investment. Now, you don't have to have a data center to get investment. But the warning I was given was that if you have like a native population, which I live in Maine, Michigan, I'm sure you have a large native population. If you have low crime and we have really low crime up here and you have clean spend. So if I'm an investor and I have a hundred million dollars, right? I want to earn yield on my money. I want to go invest it somewhere. I want to go build some, you know, whether it's an industrial park, whether it's a power plant, whatever it is, I want to go build it. I want to go know that if I'm spending that money to work with local politicians, the local town, the local infrastructure, local builders, I want to know my money's not being wasted. I want to know that if I give a hundred million, I'm getting a hundred million worth of delivery, not sixty five million worth of delivery, thirty five million worth of stuff in a pocket. And so at the end of the day, I'm going to bring my money where I know that money has a clean spend. Now, if we are to implement our technology, whether it's at the town level, the county level, the school district or maybe even or the state, if i'm a hundred million dollar investor and i see wow every penny i spend there i can track to the end user i can track it to the contractor i can track it to the light pole i can track it to the phone line i can track it to where it's going i'm going to spend my money there way more than somewhere where i have a blind spend does that Yeah, imagine being rewarded for being honest. That's crazy. Yeah, that's exactly it. That's what I've been warned and told about that because I have friends in the industrial space. They do oil, they do gas, they do power, they do electric. Side note, I would love to talk to you when we have some time about Energy Web as well. It's another project. It's not mine. I'm not plugging them. But you guys were talking about smaller energy grids. They're decentralized grids of grids. I love the concept, the idea of like local neighbors fueling a grid and then powering each other's homes first before powering outwards. Very possible there. But back to the industrials, there's a lot of money that's looking for a place to invest that wants to build infrastructure. And I would rather have them build it here in America than somewhere else, ultimately. Yeah, it's all cool. So where else do you want to go from there? Gentlemen, any topics you want to hit? Dan's the smartest. Dan, do you have any applications as to how this impacts municipalities, towns, or even federal level government? Because Dan has a lot of expertise in big government. I'm really excited about the FOIA process being ended because in Michigan, if you go ask for records, they'll try to charge you for it and it would be oh that's sixty five thousand dollars to get the records you want and i'm i'm sitting there going whenever i hear of that nonsense it's like that's our right but we have we have to pay for pulling those records that's what they always say we have to pay for pulling the records is completely obsolete with this product I like Dan uses the term, it's a graffiti wall. So everything that's getting transacted is on the graffiti wall. Anyone can see it. So you don't need a FOIA. Your idea of a FOIA is you go to the blockchain tracker and we'll actually have a system for data analytics there and you go and look at it yourself. You don't have to go to anywhere. No calls to town hall, no sixty five thousand dollars to get your own data. That's crazy. yeah i said when i was running for governor in and i still maintain this that that if um if i if i were to get in there the first thing i would do is take all of every last bit of accounting and throw everything that's been spent everything that's been taken and throw it up against the wall of every department and i would have the largest citizen investigative entity that ever walked the planet because you know people are smart they're going to get into those areas that they know and go hold the phone how come this guy you know was using that money for you know whatever it is i mean you fill in the in the blank yep and start calling this into question, but we'd be able to see it. And now, even the way that they do the websites and the online access to things, it's not about enabling us to find information. It's all about keeping us out of their little private membership criminal organization that is running the state, the country, the globe. I mean, it really is a transnational crime syndicate. And if people actually get in and see how it works by either having a crime committed against them or whatever, or getting into politics, you'll see how it works so that we can dial down on how to fix it and who to hold accountable. Oh, yeah. I gave the example while talking to Matt Rhodes the other day. And again, a huge call out to them and JBS. They are wonderful people. They've been fighting the good fight since the fifties, trying to keep small government, keep it accountable, keep it working for us ultimately. And that's the goal here. You know, these systems should work for us. They should enable us. They should serve us. They should make the quality of our lives better since we're pulling our resources together to do great things. I don't like it being weaponized against us. That said, the example I gave talking to him was like, you remember the Twitter files like Matt Taibbi and all them went through and they picked through and they dumped all this document. I want to see like the county Twitter files. I want to see like town of or state of Twitter files. where people can take that entire blockchain record and draw pictures and take the data and visualize it. We can do this as well, but the power of, like you said, the power of weaponized autism is strong out there. And I would love to see folks be able to take the data from these towns, from these municipalities, not in a in a nefarious way not in a you know like they were bad but in a hey let's just be honest and look at this way let's actually visualize something it's like gaining sight in a dark room where you never knew there was a light and now there is and now you can you can see the corners in the edge you know it'll be like a like a like a lighter at first you know just a little light you can see a little bit but the more civic change spreads the more that visibility does as well and even if other competitors come to market and offer similar services as us i said in the last podcast too i'm not even mad at it because even you know we have patents we want to protect our ip we want to protect what we're doing here we put a lot of work in i want to make sure we get rewarded for it but even if other competitors come along they're still bringing transparency so we're still there's enough abundance here for everyone and i'm a fan of competition because you know it it forces us to improve our service and our product you you really don't want a whole lot of stuff protected some of it yes the patents that uh to have a patent anymore It's kind of ridiculous because they have people out there that are scanning patents, even though I understand it. But I went to do a patent a while back on something and we talked to a patent attorney. He said, I hope you've got about two hundred fifty thousand dollars laying around because that's what you're going to need to fight, you know, to defend your patent. And just decided to say, we're going to throw it out there and just beat him on performance and such. But but I understand. And I do think people should be rewarded for the work. I think that that's an important part of the process and it encourages people to do new things and improve things. I think it's a great thing. But right now, that even needs an overhaul in the United States of America because it doesn't protect the people. Then the corporations jump on it, and they've got unlimited money. I mean, you look at BlackRock, State Street, and Arabella, all of them, Vanguard, they can all attack when they've got unlimited attorneys, unlimited money, blah, blah, blah. Now, that's another thing that should be worked on is we need to have antitrust enforced in the United States. And really be able to throw that out there when people know something that's going on in, you know, contracts or whatever. I mean, the corporations are, the whole corporate law thing is nonsense. And people use that to hide behind too. That's also a really bad idea because of Citizens United, et cetera. It's just a real convoluted mess. So Daniel, what are your thoughts on what you're hearing here? You want to expand on this? uh yeah i mean you know we locally here we had a problem where the town promised the people that twenty percent of the contract will be awarded to locals here um after the contract was done everything was awarded the locals started talking and asking who got the twenty percent uh no one was able to find out who got the twenty percent and it's it's not a very small town but we're small enough where we know big names and none of the big names were selected so we went to the town hall we asked for the information and they asked us hey we could pull up that information for you but we have to ask for five thousand dollars right yeah so i'm glad that that's going to go away in the future um but also you know we're still wondering where the twenty percent go you know did it go to some florist who had nothing to do with the actual development or maybe it was you know, three plants for the twenty percent of that reward. But I really just want to see those kind of problems go away in our local towns. That's all. Yeah, that's what's great about Civic Chain is that our moat is efficiency. That's what keeps us competitive, especially against incumbents. And then truth is almost a byproduct of that. So from the incumbent perspective or the control perspective, why wouldn't they want more effective, faster real time payments? I can't. I can't think of why you wouldn't want fraud to be obsolete, because we know exactly where money is going. There was a really good one. I live up in Maine, and there was a local town that forwarded a hundred thousand dollars to somebody that was pretending to be a bank just because they edited the paperwork and they didn't have a trusted account. But with us, that would have been null from the very beginning. So why wouldn't you want to make people's lives easier? Why wouldn't you want them to get paid faster? This is kind of just by making things more efficient, we are making room in the margin. And then who gets to keep that margin is the citizen. So my biggest thing was always that this is an invisible tax Where you have to pay for a registration for your car, that's three, three and a half percent on your card, you know, just by using your card. And then you also have to use a gateway, the little tap machine, you know, that there's a gateway processing fee for that as well. And then there's a convenience fee for even using the incumbent. So that's another six dollars. And just that ends up being, you know, thirteen, fifteen, twenty bucks, depending on how big your purchases. And we are competitive in that a lot of states have this language called the most responsible bidder. where we are able to give the most money back to the citizens by reducing fees and overhead. And that's honestly, that was the moat that I was trying to compare to. We have to do those. We have to do certain functions. So certainly if we can strip out the fees and such, that would be a lovely thing to do. So have you been talking to a lot of municipalities about this? Because I would assume that some of them are are probably profiting off of those things that they're using right now, which, you know, they're all getting paid around the backside. So change is usually a little bit more difficult for them, even if it's better for the citizens. This probably needs to get in front of more people so people can bring it out in the public and kind of force their hands to you know, get out of the dark and how they're running things. So I got one real quick, Mike, can I just say something before you talk about the partnerships? It was that a lot of times these, these systems are paid for by the citizens, the town or the state doesn't want to pay a licensing fee. for a giant piece of software, say, fifty or a hundred grand a year. So they just kind of chop that up into little fees that you have to pay when you're doing your citizen stuff, where you're registering your car, you're registering your boat, you're buying some sort of permit or you're registering your business. All that stuff just ends up being eaten up in little tiny pieces and I we want to cut that out so that people don't have to pay as much for that. But Mike, go ahead and talk about our our rolling partnership. Well, yes. So a couple of little pieces. One, yeah, we do have several partnerships we're forming right now. I just want to say as a whole, honestly, I don't see a lot of fraud and waste at the municipal level. What I've found and I've talked to a lot of finance directors, I've talked to select board members, I've talked to county clerks, town clerks. um you know people who work in the office and make the day-to-day happen and what i found is for the most part most people in there are trying their best they want to do good but they haven't been given the tools to do it i mean they're some of them are inherited antiquated processes thirty years ago and they showed up to the job and they said like some of them to that some of these folks adding the computer to the process is still a relatively new thing So so when I see that, I'm like, I can help you, you know. And so, yeah, we do have right now I have a select board member of a town of eighty three hundred people has said, yes, I want to go forward with your product. I'm going to refer you to the town manager. So that conversation is coming up shortly. ultimately if the bylaws i think in some cases they may have to amend the bylaws for us and others they may not even have to but ultimately it comes down to the select board whether or not the select board is willing to do it and we have like i said one select board member completely and he loves the transparency loves the idea he wants to show his people that that's you know be the best they can i have another town where i have a congressperson actually coming over here tuesday to sit down that wants to use his hometown as a pilot case to try it out and say, hey, we only have ten thousand people living there. Let's try it with that town. And what we're talking about doing, like one or two contracts to start just to show them that it's possible and then scaling, assuming we do well and I'm sure we'll do well. So I'm very excited there. for the opportunity. And I'm also working with my own town. I haven't talked to the select board directly yet. So if they hear about this before I do, it might be a little weird for them. But I've talked to a lot of people around them. I've talked to the finance director. I've talked to people in the office. I've talked to people that live in the town, lots of people that live in the town. I actually have a lot of people at usual town meetings, maybe eight or ten people show up. And I have about twenty five right now that said, give me the date and I'll be there with you. so i the the hype is there the momentum is there people see the product i mean it's funny i'm supposed to be the chief salesman but honestly i don't have to sell that hard because the product really does sell itself like if i explain the concept well and people get the concept they're already sold because i mean the only place i've seen where people said there's a downside i did have one complaint from a deputy town manager in vermont who said it's too transparent it'll make it hard to do my job What do you mean by that? Is it easy to pour it in the history of what's been done in the past or is it where you start right now? So both. So it's doable to pour it in the past if the data is good. But keep in mind, junk in, junk out. So if I had like bad data on the way and I'm just putting bad data on chain, it'll be more visible. But but it'll be what it is. That said, a lot of these towns do have good data that they have legacy data. We can put that on chain. And now that data kind of like Dan was saying, hey, what was this amount? Instead of doing a FOIA, if they did a process where we could take all that data, scrape it and put it on chain. Now it's public. Now they don't need to pay five thousand dollars. And we're using legacy data, not even data we collect. That said, from the moment we bring our system in a good example, a lot of towns in Maine, the state's making a big deal right now because a lot of towns are like two to five years late on their town audits. And that's a big deal. It's becoming a big deal. Towns are getting they're pushing back about funding on all kinds of stuff. What I've been telling finance directors is if you implement our solution today, Next year, your audit is three button clicks that easy. So to better answer your question, yes, we can work with legacy data. Absolutely. If it's bad quality data, we'll have to work with some data people to try to sort it to make sure we're not putting junk into the system. But that said, if there is good data of existing previous years where they did the thing right and we have that data, we can absolutely make that public. Yeah, because the government currently runs on Excel spreadsheets and just bringing CSVs onto the blockchain is more visible. But it's like building a house out of recycled pallets. It's just like it's not great. We can do it. But we would rather put a sawmill on site and cut you some some fresh stuff that makes a beautiful, beautiful new home of data. Sorry, go ahead, Donna. Byron Township sucks. So, I mean, this would be a really great thing. I mean, it's intentional. When you've got a city supervisor, the township supervisor, look at us in a meeting, which he did. And his exact words were on a project that nobody wanted. This project is going through and you people can't stop it. Absolutely. Kind of a little bit of a crime and, uh, against the constitution. If you ask me right there, that's, that's complete contempt for everyone there. They wouldn't even, they didn't don't even give us a chance to talk to them. We, they, they put our comments after the meeting, after they've approved everything. And that's Don Tillema who has, you know, violated all of our constitutional rights, the rights. You know, God given rights, which were assured by the Constitution, they spit in our faces. They've spit in that on that on the Constitution. And I see that the transparency is happening everywhere where they're making, you know, they're making agreements on constitutional agreements, even even with corporations and or foreign entities. That it's rampant in the United States. So we've got to do something because they have literally written into law and voted in sovereign immunity for themselves. So and the whole ten yards, they can do anything. There's no there's no recourse for the people. To hold them accountable. Ultimately, I am optimistic more now for the future than I've ever been. A few reasons. One, there's a reason I wanted to show the bond market stuff. You were talking about corporate law and issues there and how these corporations are just getting giant and massive. I'm all about capitalism. I'm all about success. You build a better product. You operate in a free market and you do better. I'm not one to ever say to stop you. But I also see a lot of gatekeeping and things happening in that process, too. Ultimately, as the bond market sells off, corporate bonds are going to do very poorly, too. A lot of these corporations are zombies where they haven't actually turned a profit in many years, but because they can raise cheap debt and then employ that debt to do things and make money off it, they stay active as the rates rise. I think you're going to see I'm a farmer every year. When you finish a blueberry patch, the best way to get the best harvest next year is you burn that patch. At the end of the year, you burn off all those plants. You let the soil kind of sit. You leave all the charred embers there, all of that. The next year, the blueberry crop is like three times as flourishing, as abundant and all of that. I see something like that coming for the bond market at the corporate level. I see that at the national level, too. I see a sovereign debt crisis. And I use the word sovereign there. And I put little quotes around because we've gotten to the point where My town is a corporation. When I drive down the road, it says Welcome to Bowdoin Incorporated in seventeen eighty eight. Incorporated says it on the side. The state of Maine is a corporation. The county is a corporation. The federal government is a corporation. So at the end of the day, these are all just corporations. And I want to get them to serve us again. And I think they will. And I think of adding a layer of transparency and realigning the incentives, which is the biggest thing. For instance, like we all live through Corona. I don't think my neighbor was the deep state, the one yelling at me on the street corner. I don't think they were the deep state. I don't think they're out to get me. I think people act on incentives. In a lot of cases, hospitals were paid to play along. In a lot of cases, town authorities were. Your business was, oh, OK, you get your PPP loan. Just be quiet over there and play along. And that happened. People were incentivized to do that. With our product, we're re-incentivizing the basic tiered structure of government from the bottom up. We're incentivizing it to want to be transparent, to want to be honest, to want to serve you better. And ultimately, because I've had a good example. I talked to a finance director. He said they need this at the federal level. I said, you know what, Dave? We'll start here. We'll do it here. We'll do it in the county. We'll spread it to a couple of counties. When the state gets on board, we'll do that, too. When a couple other states see us having success, we'll spread it over there. When enough states have success with transparency, then I'm sure the federal government will be looking to come around and talk at that point. Because imagine that. Imagine a world where your town, your state, your county are all completely transparent. And you look at the one over there that's not doing it. Why? You know what I mean? I'm not saying they're corrupt. I'm not saying they're dirty. I'm trying to take the approach that nobody is. I want to assume the best in the hearts of people. I think every human has divinity in their heart. I truly do. And I want to enable that divinity with a tool or with a set of tools to empower themselves. And I think that's the direction we're on. That's awesome. What a nice positive step to fix a problem that's just been really burning all of us. And the innovation that you guys put into this is amazing. So I thank you for that time that you put into it, your effort and that sort of thing, because I think it has the potential of being a really great I'm probably a little bit more cynical than you guys are because I think a lot of people that get in there, they're in it for money. And maybe Michigan is the poster child for corruption. And we've been inundated with it. I really do think that Michigan is the head of the snake. And the criminality there is right out there for everybody to see, unfortunately. But I love the fact that I suppose when we clean all the criminals out and we address that, you know, everything is just going to be better and people will function like you guys are. And I appreciate that so much. You're doing such good work. Thank you, Donna. We are secretly radical. This is just part of the sales tactic. Oh, well, there you go. Well, you're in a good spot. I think everybody here is kind of like wanting to see the tables turned, as it were, right now, because there's been so much that has been fighting out there, fighting against we the people. It's a shame. But this should be really, really super encouraging to everybody that if we just get to work and do the right thing and see things that we can do to make things better, like these guys have, like Civic Chain has, You know, we can fix anything. So here, let me put your site up again a minute. And I appreciate the charts that you brought on today, too, to show people what's really going on. This is amazing. So let's go back to the front here. Anything else you want to say about this? I'll post the link for everybody on my Telegram and X account so you can go and see what these guys are doing. And I really think that this should be reviewed by all of the municipalities out there, because as my friend General Flynn always says, local action equals national impact. And if we stop the crimes, intentional or unintentional, from being committed, and it's out in front of everybody, we're going to, that's going to be the start right there to truth and honesty, you know, everywhere. I mean, it's just, it's amazing. So thank you for what you've done. Is there any last words you guys have? I'm going to go to a quick fifty second, seven second break. And Stephanie Lambert was going to be on today, but Patrick Burns has decided to come in and help us out here because once again, she's doing, she's doing really great work for this nation and finding and prosecuting criminals. And we're going to talk about what's been happening here. So any last words you guys have, and I'm going to go to exactly a fifty seven second break and then Patrick Burns will be on. Yeah, I'll just throw in that there's three different modules you can log in on as demos on the site to see what it feels like to be a town manager, see what it feels like to be a contractor, see what it feels like to be a citizen looking at our tool in action. They're scrolled down just a little bit. You can hit them. So feel free to try that out and then reach out. Thank you all for your time and listening. I appreciate you. There you go. Well, and I'd like to have you guys back on next week. I think this is wonderful and your wealth of information and you guys have a great day. So we're going to go right now to a fifty seven second break and it'll be Patrick Burns on deck next. Talking about, oh, arrests, indictments, all those things that have to happen to hold criminals accountable. We'll be right back. Morning. Welcome to Brandenburg News Network. I am Donna Brandenburg. It's the twenty first day of May twenty twenty six. And I'm on with my next guest, Patrick Burns. How you doing, Patrick? How you doing, Donna? Great to see you again. Yeah, it's great to see you again, too. It was fun seeing you last time when we were at the the Trump International Golf Course there and and fun, fun place. And thank you for coming on today. It sounds like we have some really breaking news that People really need to hear what's going on. So many people are like, nothing's happening, nothing's happening. And we're like, you're looking at bad sources, guys. Come to where real news is, such as Brandenburg News Network. And so what's happening out there? Well, great to see you again, Donna. Yes. Just remember that, look, I'm with the people who want everything done yesterday, want everything done twelve months ago. And as a guy, you know, who was it? Snoopy said, nothing's too hard when you don't have to do it yourself. I keep thinking that if I'd been on the inside as an entrepreneur, I could have gotten this done in thirty or sixty days. But the truth is, a typical federal investigation takes about three years and we're kind of worth the one year mark of this. Trump came in a year ago and it took a few months to get things organized. But we're very close. And there were some false starts in this administration and there were some false starts in getting the deep state. Trump came in and did the right things, but the deep state derailed his efforts. and blocked the investigation from getting going really until last summer. But then they've caught up and they have and really where it is centered that's so important is Miami. There's a US attorney in Miami named Quinones who There were other groups formed that were supposed to get to the bottom of the election fraud and the coup. And they kind of got tangled up in their underwear. But finally, this U.S. attorney like Tulsi had it. But Tulsi, the deep state came after Tulsi. She had this special unit that's now public called the Directors Action Group or something. And but the deep state came after it and blocked it. Eventually, this U.S. attorney got on, sank his teeth into it down in Miami. And he's got. This investigation on the machines going and he has the indictment on Smartmatic. Remember, Smartmatic was indicted in for its activities regarding the Philippine twenty sixteen election. But what's happening now is other information we want. In a perfect world, this would all be one investigation of the fraudulent election equipment, Venezuela, Tren de Aragua, Cartel de los Soles. It was all a joint Cuban-Venezuelan operation to overthrow the United States. Well, that's what's kind of emerging down in Miami. So, for example, Maduro got snatched and he's in New York. And he gave up his bookkeeper. He was taken on, I think, January third of this year. He gave up his bookkeeper, a guy named Alex Saab. And they've just released an indictment that turned out to have happened January fourteenth of this year, where the Maduro bookkeeper was was given was indicted for. Now, he was he interestingly Biden. He was indicted in twenty nineteen by Trump. Biden pardoned him in twenty twenty three. He just got indicted again. based on presumably this new information from Maduro. And now he's been turned over an extradition. And most importantly, he's not being handled up by the New York DOJ, which is where the Maduro and the Hugo Carvajal cases are, he's being handled, his case is down in this Miami, under this US attorney in Miami, which tells us that they are doing the right thing. They are bringing, they're realizing these different issues really all get subsumed together with this issue of election fraud and these fake election machines and the overthrow of our elections. It's all gotta be understood as one massive crime. And the fact that his indictment It was not up in New York by by with Maduro, who's the guy who fingered him. But it's down in Miami tells us that's that it's all getting pulled together as it should be. That's that's awesome. So what else can you tell me about the situation right now? I know that Stephanie filled me in on some of it the other day. And I just I want to know everything about what's going on there. It's amazing. It's amazing that that. things are actually moving and that indictment was unsealed and arrests and the whole ten yards. Well, you know, a great book to read to get a feel of this stuff is the book Den of Thieves, which is about the prosecution of Michael Milken by Rudy Giuliani. And the first half of that book, one of the Pulitzer back thirty, twenty, twenty odd years ago, thirty years ago. And the first half of the book is about Mike Milken and his criminal activity and what he did and everything, blah, blah, blah. And then the second half of the book is about this young prosecutor, Rudy Giuliani in New York, who came along. and unwound the whole criminal activity. And that's really the way to, and it ends with Milken getting, you know, getting convicted. That's really the way to, to understand what's going on here, the underlying crime. And then the story of how the pieces in the federal government are moving and Too slowly for us, but moving. And it just took a while. It's taken a while, but they have it. They have it. Because I'm not, look, I don't mean to be on the, Sam, on the inside, and I don't mean to take undue credit or anything like that. This is their word. But we had a lot of people we could introduce them to who had the different pieces. And a lot of this had to do with you great citizens out there and what you did for those four years and all the pieces in every little community, the activists, the election activists who worked and dug up these different pieces. There finally became the federal effort to Hoover it all up and get the big picture. And what's nice is they're no longer so segmented. Well, these guys are studying election equipment and these guys are studying the cartels and these guys are set. It's interesting. It's they're seeing it's one integrated massive crime against the United States. Well, I've been I've been terminated as a transnational crime syndicate that has been active to subvert the United States. And it's a coup. I mean, they launched a coup against the United States. And I'm a fan of giving them enough time to get every single one of these cockroaches and, you know, eliminate eliminate this so it doesn't happen again. Yeah, ovens. I'm all for ovens at this point. You're probably, as a good Christian lady, you're probably not there with me. No, I've always said that it needs to go to short drop sudden stop and I'll volunteer to pull the lever on it. Yeah. Well, it's really great news that this new guy's been indicted and there's more. What you get if you read Den of Thieves is the idea that when these crimes finally get taken down, it's like an ice sheet on a lake cracking. There's a little crack, another little crack, and then... It all starts splintering. We're just at that point. It's all just splintering. People are turning. People are flipping. Stuff is going on. I can't even mention today that people are rolling and stuff is happening. So if you're one of the bad guys, gosh, if you're... If you're some schmuck out there and you just participated in twenty twenty in a low level way, your higher ups are selling you out already like today. So some of it is going on someplace. So the value of any information any bad guys have is radically diminishing. Once the once the top guys roll, then so everyone should be making their deals now as quickly as possible. The DOJ, because I think you're going to see now in a matter of weeks. this will all come apart. When it just starts to splinter criminal enterprise like this, it splinters quickly. That's amazing. I mean, that's a sweet news. That's a song we've been waiting to hear that heads are going to roll and that we're going to have some accountability. And I like the phrase accountability as an optional. We can't just let people go and say, how many times have you heard? Oh, you know, we just need to get past the twenty twenty election. It's we just won't do it again. And I look at him and go, how can it what kind of stupid is that? That's letting the criminals go. without any consequences for their actions. How about we say this? Let's just say for those people that have said that, what if somebody in your family, you know, gets murdered? And they say, well, we're not going to do anything. They won't. We know they said they wouldn't do it again. So we're just going to let it go. On any rational person would be like, hell no, there's got to be accountability there. And we've got to write the crimes that were done because it was an egregious weaponized attack against the United States. You're correct. So we have to get accountability just both for ethics and justice. We also need accountability because if we're right about twenty twenty and we are, that means it was only pulled off because there was a nationwide mafia who was of election and theft that was able to pull off. a nationwide, what was really six swing states, but a very complicated operation in six states. And if there's such a mafia operating in this country, which there is, we need to get them. We need to get them and shut them down. We can't just say, oh, we'll keep going because they'll do it again. And we'll never get out of it a second time. It's the grace of God that we got through this. We were never supposed to get through it. So we have to get to the truth in order to dig this up and prevent it and keep these people from doing it anymore. I think Michigan, from my perspective, looks like it's the head of the snake when you look at Connick and Eugene Yu and the connections to, say, what was happening at Michigan State and all of the fake voters that were registered here, the bloated voter roll that they injected and all of a sudden dropped right after the election. I mean, there are so many ways that they have been cheating that they thought they could have It wasn't one way they were cheating. They were cheating through the operating systems in, you know, in the machines, the whole ten yards. I mean, this whole thing, they thought they had this thing nailed. And I'm pretty sure that there was a bigger plan there. Personally, I've got a lot of questions on Biden's term at all, whether there was any legitimacy there. to any of it, which that goes in another direction, but there was no way, there's no possible way that Biden won that election when you look at the numbers, no possible way. Gretchen Whitmer, we had more, the voter registration and how they interjected that, and there's no way that Whitmer won this. The margins and the error rate separating honesty and falsehood. And I'm not going to quote it all now because I'll be on a two hour rant and rabbit trail on this. But there's no way that these people won their elections, honestly, not possible. No, no, it's happened all over the country. There is a very sophisticated look. I've been living with the Venezuelans who are the masters of this stuff. for two years. And there's no election that you can be trusting in the United States. This is a very subtle way to overthrow not just the USA, but the West. One of the most craziest moments of my life, frankly, is back in the summer of twenty twenty four. I had a bunch of these Venezuelan engineers hold up in a safe house in Europe and General Flynn came over to meet them. And I and I questioned them. And I said, sir, please remember not to get angry at them because they're heroes. They've left everything, they're helping us. He said, of course, of course. And so I said, yeah, I won't get angry. Well, he sat and questioned them for about ninety minutes. And he was a perfect gentleman. He's such a, you know, Mike, he's such a wonderful fellow. He but at the end of ninety minutes, we're about to leave. He was all convinced. And Mike's very technical. He's got a couple of master's degrees in telecommunications. And so he could ask very technical questions, got satisfied. They served the government IDs. They demonstrated the software. They explained in great detail how to how they beat it, how they can change anything. They told these stories. So Mike Flynn was satisfied and we were about to leave. And I said, tell the general And the whole time he was this very debonair gentleman. And I said to the Venezuelan, tell the general how much this has been going on. And the guy kind of gulped and looked at him, said, General Flynn, we've been manipulating elections in seventy two countries for twenty years. And there was just this split second. I saw only time in the six years I've known Mike. I wouldn't say he lost his composure, but there was just this moment he said he just said and I could see what he was thinking. He was thinking he spent thirty five years of his life. defending this country, he's probably seen thousands of Americans killed defending this country. And he realized the enemy came at us on a vector we never knew. Seventy-two democratic countries around the world have had their elections manipulated since two thousand and six. And that means the whole history of the West has been bent. So we're crashing into a bridge abutment, and we don't even see it, what's going on. And the reason is, the front line, this is a Cuba-Venezuela operation, but behind the scenes, think of it as a joint venture of Cuba and Venezuela, but the main shareholders, let's say the board of directors, are China and Iran, and probably Russia, to a lesser degree, Russia. So this was an overthrow of the U.S. So actually, even when we're talking about the events that are happening in the world today with Cuba and Venezuela and Iran, you got to understand it in the context of what I just told you. We've been in World War Three. It launched on November third, twenty twenty. World War Three launched. They that was the fake election. And China, Iran, Venezuela and Cuba are neck deep in it. And so to me, you know, we owe Iran. We owe Iran a visit. They started World War III in twenty twenty when they when they pulled the trigger on that. So they were part of pulling the trigger on it. I know a lot of Americans wish we weren't off fighting in Iran, but I understand it within this greater context that the war started in twenty twenty when they did that, they overthrew our country. We were never supposed to get out from under it. Well, and sometimes you just got to handle business. You know, we would prefer that that no one ever dies. But we also prefer that nobody ever makes bad, you know, bad decisions and attacks our country or or kills the innocent or anything like that. And when that happens, you got to address it. But I think I think President Trump and the good guys are doing a great job. And, you know, God bless General Flynn. I'll tell you what. I always tell people never, never mistake this. The smartest guy in the room is always him. Any room you're in that that guy is in, he is the smartest guy in the room. And he is such a nice man. And he is so ethical and his family is just wonderful. So, I mean, he is a national treasure, in my opinion. I think this country would not have exist today if it weren't for him. You can't say that about many people. Him and Admiral Rogers, they stood against the machine and put everything on the line for it. And so why, you know, people attack them all the time. Of course they do. And the ones that are attacking them are the ones who are probably guilty of the subversion that's been going on. So pretty, pretty interesting. So what other insights can you give us on the, I mean, I've heard a lot about Serbia being involved also and the programmers there, but they've affected not just the United States, but elections around the world. All right. Seventy two nations. Yes. Serbia acts is really the mission control, the mission control. The actual election heist gets done out of Serbia. The truth is there's fifteen different ways they have to cheat. And fourteen of them are the on the ground ways we've all been hearing about since twenty twenty and stuffing the voter rolls and and. and mail-in ballots and all that stuff. They have a fifteenth way, and that is at the end of the day, they come in from Serbia on the end of Election Day, and they can jam through the results from Serbia into any machine they have in the USA, any counter that uses this stuff. Why Serbia? Why were they so involved? First, when all this started, Serbia was a satellite of really the Soviet Union. It looks like Serbian involvement. There have been Serbian involvement and sort of targeting our election systems, believe it or not, since nineteen seventy four. I understand you can actually trace back some of this all the way to nineteen seventy four. There's a particular guy there named Goran that is an old timer. I just remember Serbia was like a satellite of the Soviet Empire back then. It was a satellite. And as the Soviets came apart and then Russia... became Russia. Somewhere in there, Serbia became really the western edge of the Chinese empire. Believe it or not, Serbia is really a Chinese satellite at this point. And so this was operated out of Serbia, but the real shot caller is back in China. I think Xi'an, China. In western China, there's a city called Xi'an that's very central. Military intelligence in China is very... has a big institute there. I understand there's an institute there where they study every county in America has an expert. So whatever county you live in, there's some guy in Xi'an, China who knows. What county do you live in, Donna? Kent. Kent County, Florida? Yeah. Michigan. Michigan. I've seen you in Florida so many times. Kent County, Michigan, that there's some expert in Shian Shana in Kent County, Michigan, who knows who's running for school board, who's running for dog catcher. They know it better than you know the politics of Kent County. And they have for twenty years in the background, they knew that it could just make the machines spit out a bunch of communist victories overnight. We'd all catch on. So it's been this twenty, twenty five year process of bending. of bending the results. And they can bend them sort of five or six percent without leaving much of a fingerprint in each election. So they've been bending our political results county by county and sort of changing the political shape of our country. And the ultimate shot callers are Chinese military intelligence, who I think are based in Xi'an, China. And then they're giving orders to Serbia you have the Venezuelans scattered through our American election industry. It's funny, wherever you go, like if you go into the watchmaking industry anywhere in the world, you'll find Swiss people. If you go into the election industry in the United States and the big cities, you'll find these Venezuelan immigrants, which is kind of funny because do we associate Venezuela as having exceptionally good elections or something? But you'll find all these Venezuelan immigrants scattered through the systems in each county. That's because they're in on it. Wow, that's amazing. Would it be accurate to say that they have the ability to just kind of like input numbers that well then? Because what we saw in Michigan, there was a huge leak right before the primary in Michigan that that or the election in Michigan where they they it was the election where they literally called who was going to win and who was going to lose by by how many points or how many votes. And then they said, oh, it was a mistake. It was a mistake. I know I looked at that and said, was it a mistake? They're inputting the numbers. Yeah, it's not quite as simple as they just input the numbers. What they do is when your ballot comes in, When your ballot comes in, it gets fed into really what's just a scanner. They got some fancy name for it, but it's just a scanner. It takes a digital image. And when you mail it in, this is what happens. And it waits until there's a hundred digital images, and then it sets aside your piece of paper. And by the way, from that point forward, that piece of paper is kind of neither here nor there. The digital image is what really counts as your ballot from then on. It develops a stack of a hundred, and then once it has a stack of a hundred digital images, This is how the machine's supposed to work. Pardon me for doing these props now. It creates the stack of a hundred digital images. It then counts up all the votes in those hundred digital images, puts like a scorecard on the thing, then compresses the whole thing down. and holds it for fifteen seconds and then sends it in to your county election management server. So that's how the votes that you mail in get counted, tabulated, and then sent on a cellular modem into the election server. But what we know really happens is that a hidden program ends up on that scan. So first you follow me so far. That's how it's supposed to work. But what we've learned is they get access to that scanner through a variety of different ways. They get some software on it. And that software, what it does is in that fifteen second window that I said that it prepares everything, then it sits and waits. That hidden internal software actually decrypts the whole package, opens it up, takes the scorecard and changes the scorecard to be the results for that hundred votes it needs it to be. And then having done that, goes in to the actual votes, digital images, and alters the digital images or actually swaps them with other digital images that come in from Serbia, swaps them, then wraps it all up. And it does all this in eight tenths of a second. So then when the fifteen seconds are over and it gets sent up to the county election server, it's a scorecard and a set of digital images that aren't actually of the underlying paper. Well, the recounts are worthless. So if they do the recounts, they'll say, well, these are our recounts. But are they also doing fractional voting with that so it's even harder to find? Yeah, they have actually four, fourteen, fifteen different techniques. And they go to each county and they look at the... techniques and law laws of the county and how they run their their elections and they pick out of all these techniques they pick three or four and they say these are the ones we're going to use in this county but for the county next door to it even if it has the same rules they may very well pick three or four other techniques so i mean they're very clever and so they're masking it so even the way they steal it changes county by county so it's harder to find the patterns But at the end of the day, go ahead, please. So it's safe to say that our elections with anything digital or electronic right now are being run by foreign entities. Yeah, they have zero reliability. I've run public companies. When you reach a point in a public company, if you ever reach a point that you know that numbers you have revealed to the world in the past turned out to have an error in them, you didn't know at the time, but learn later you have to when you reach a certain level of uncertainty you have to immediately announce to the public hey those numbers that we reported three years ago about this quarter we realized now there was a mistake in it we're gonna and within third we're gonna do an investigation And within thirty days, we'll get you the real numbers, whatever they were. You have to do that as a public company CEO. So you have to have this sense of how much does your uncertainty about something have to be before you have that duty to the public? Well, let me tell you, the level of uncertainty that people have or should have in anything run on these this equipment is is light years beyond that that that limit. At this point, nobody has any business signing any certification of any election that comes off these machines with the amount of uncertainty we have. But it isn't just uncertainty. We have the proof that they do this. We have the people who did it. We have the people who wrote the software. We have the proof that it happened. Tina Peters, that's why she got prosecuted. She got that hard drive image and she found exactly the shenanigans. They didn't know what they found, but they found what they found. They found the activity of a cloaked script. They didn't figure out how it got there, but they did discover there was foreign access and there was this sort of shenanigans going on. That's why they prosecute her. How do you cover something like that up? The prosecution is the coverup. So they prosecuted her for a bunch of a mishmash of nothing burger. You know, she gave somebody a fake ID. She told somebody a lie in order that the cyber guy could go in in order to get the, you know, she doubted, she thought a bunch of people were corrupt and she did her job. She got prosecuted for these little knickknack misdemeanors. And that was the way of covering up what they found and what they found, what was found on her computer was exactly this shenanigans stuff that I told you about, where things got changed in the middle of the election. You just got to love Tina Peters. She's amazing. And also the other two women in Michigan that I totally adore them. They're heroes is Stephanie Scott and Stephanie Lambert. The bravery that the people have shown who have fought, have been fighting for the election fraud, because it's not even maladministration. This was knowingly they did what they did and it's fraud. And they have stood against all sorts of attacks. And it's amazing to see the contrast between such evil intentions And then when good people like yourself and Stephanie and Stephanie and Tina and there's there's so many more that are willing to stand against this evil attack on the United States. It's amazing. It gives us all a lot of hope. You know, at the beginning of all of this, Michael Flynn and I had a conversation and Kurt Olson. where we all agreed that basically, I don't know about you, but I'm going to take this all the way to the firing squad. And we all agreed that we would take it to the firing squad. What I discovered was other than those people, the only other people who had that attitude were women. And one of them was Stephanie Lambert. And as I got to know her, she's a fabulous former prosecutor from Michigan. She's got three kids, three girls. She's a single mom and she divorced and she died. She she just said, I can't imagine my children growing up in a socialist country. I'm not going to let it happen. I'll take this to the firing squad, too. So she's like there were people we just decided at the beginning of this. There's no point. There's no point doing anything else with your life other than this, because there is nothing there's nothing left. of our country if we didn't defeat this. Yeah, if we don't fix this, we hand our children over to a future of slavery and or death because you cannot let the elections go. I mean, everything rolls down from the elections. Kurt Olson, I was in the courtroom when he was cross-examining Jonathan Brader and Abe Dane. And it was, he, he did, um, uh, he did, I guess it was a Jonathan Brader. He did such a good job on that. And all of that prosecution that Stephanie and him were doing, it's like, I tell you what, I just sat there in awe of him, his professionalism, his ability to ask the right questions. And, uh, You know, I really have a lot of respect for Kurt Olson, too. What a great man. Kurt made a fricassee. He made a fricassee out of Jonathan Brader and got him to completely contradict himself on the stand and acknowledge that, you know, Jonathan Brader sent emails to the town clerk saying, we know that you have the right to have your own investigation and you have the right to hire your own resources to do it. He had said that in an email. They kept that email forever. So, you know, then meanwhile, when he went to the grand jury, Jonathan Rader said something one hundred and eighty degrees different. And that's how he got some people indicted. So when Kurt finally got him on the stand and said, look, you actually have said this, you acknowledge they had the legal authority to do this. I mean, he just got the guy completely flummoxed and tripped up. And thankfully, well, not that case, but the very similar case in Washington. And I forget which county. So Stephanie, they had two cases against them. Antrim. Is it Antrim? Yeah. And one of them just got thrown out by the appellate courts. Somebody looked at it and said, there's nothing illegal here. There's nothing illegal. The town clerk has the authority to hire Stephanie, hire a private attorney and investigate what's the beef. So one of the two charges recently got thrown out and the other should go the same way. But Kurt Olson really saved the day there. And he's not even a criminal defense attorney, but he did a beautiful job for Stephanie. Well, he should be. You know, that was in Hillsdale. That was that was totally, totally amazing. The work that they've done there. I got to tell you, I've got that when you can look into a situation and see somebody who is. habitually involved in criminal activity. Jonathan Brader lost ten thousand of my signatures, surprisingly, in the twenty two election. And when we faced him and I said, that's OK, you can lose them all you want. I've got two full copies. You know, I've gotten to know his mannerisms, and it's like a fourth grader twisting on Red Bull trying to get out from having his tail chewed or having accountability. It's kind of funny. But I sued in circuit court and the Michigan Supreme Court, and that's when he finally found those signatures in another room where they never keep them under a counter. And I'm going to tell you what, if anyone deserved – You know, the extreme measures of punishment for the crimes that they committed. That guy deserves it right there. And him admitting to Kurt Olson that he did, in fact, break the law. You know, he admitted it full out. And I mean, when we see justice for that guy right there, he has done so much damage. Him and Jocelyn Benson, you know, Whitmer, Nessel, all of it at the top. But and it would be easy to go after them. But I'm really proud of the fact that the good guys that are investigating it have done the same thing that the people in the the machines and Dominion and Venezuela and Cuban, all of it. We've got to get every last one of them. You can't just go for the ones that are the easy pickings because they've got somebody sitting in the wings ready to take their place. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So pretty, pretty exciting news to come out. So what's next in Miami? What do you think is next? Let's bring it around to where we started. What do you expect out of the investigations with Alex Saab going on down there? Well, I think one direction it will go is eventually you'll see Dominion brought into all of this itself. Dominion and Smartmatic are a distinction without a difference. I'd like to believe that you'll see Dominion's swept up into all of this. It needs to be understood. You know, you're right. It's not just election fraud. It's part of a it's an element in a RICO and a racket that itself was dedicated to a coup. So they were taking part in a coup. They may not have known it, those people like Jonathan Brader, who was dealing with someone, but they were actually taking part in a coup to overthrow the U.S., which we were never supposed to get back. So they have to be treated as people who participated in a coup against the United States. They're an accomplice to it. Bradley was successful. It was successful. We were never supposed to get out from under it. Twenty twenty four was just supposed to be putting the the tombstone on our grave. We would never have gotten out from under it anyway. Yeah, I think I think that the amount of attacks we've seen on President Trump, God bless him and for everything that he was willing to stand against all the attacks because he loves the nation. And for all the patriots out there who have stood without wavering, everyone out there that's continued to go on, digital soldiers, the people in the public who have lost family and friends and such for standing for this, kudos to everyone out there. What a proud time to be alive and actually see this and see the justices is not only coming, it's happening right now. And somebody told me recently, that President Trump said on Truth Social that when this started coming out just recently, like the last two days, we are in the storm. Yeah. Oh, he's going to have some fun. Yeah, we are in the storm. It's like I say, when it crumbles, when certain kinds of – networks unravel. It's, you know, like the old poem about ketchup, shake and shake the ketchup bottle. None will come. And then a lot. I mean, it takes years to get it to break for the, for the ring to start breaking down. But once it starts breaking down and people are naming each other and this and that it unravels really quickly. And I think we're in this unraveling phase and that people are talking. Yeah. They, they usually sing pretty loud when they realize they're trying to save their own behinds. And, if they can deflect it to somebody else to try to get them out of trouble. I don't think it's going to work this time. I think this time it's going to be, you're still wrong. There's accountability to this. And no matter what you do, you're going to be in trouble. So you might as well face the music now and get it over with. But there we are. Well, it's been a pleasure to have you on. Is there anything else you want to talk about? Because I'd sit here and talk with you all day. Guys, just so you know, I think Patrick is fabulous. He is not sort of fabulous. Patrick is a fabulous guy and fun to talk with him. He's very tall and I'm kind of smallish and it's kind of funny. But what a fabulous guy you are. And I thank you so much for all you've done. And I know you've been under extreme threat And, you know, to yourself personally. And yeah, you're a tough guy. So there you go. But I appreciate you taking that oath to the end and saying I'm willing to die for this. As so many of us have. I mean, this is this is the defining moment in our lives. And I appreciate that so much. So is there anything else you want to talk about? If not, I'm going to go to the prayer here. Go ahead, Donna. Thank you. I'd sit here and start picking at you to try to get information out. And I know that you can't talk about things. So we're going to let you rest there and just be quiet and silent support. I do the same thing with General Flynn. I never ask him anything. You know, it's like, except, hey, how you doing? You know, so it was a few more weeks. Give a few more weeks of patience. I think that you're going to be seeing real results very soon. Will you come back on? I will. We'll talk about it then. Yeah, because I'm that person that wants to know everything so that we know how to deal with it. So dear Heavenly Father, thank you so much for Patrick, the guys with Civic Chain, as well as Eric Cognitive Carbon and all my non-friends that are out there. I thank you so much for all our patriots, the digital soldiers, the people that have stood for good purposes, God's purposes here. And thank you for the encouraging words we've heard in the last few days. that justice is in the works right now. We are not going to have to wait forever. And we know that your justice is true. And I do believe that you are truly guiding us and giving us the path out of the mess that we've been in. And thank you so much. Give everyone so much encouragement and strength to walk the path that you have in front of us. This is going to be great. All of us want to see evil absolutely go away, that we never have to see it again and we can live at peace. The goal is peace and lawfulness, that we can live with each other, our neighbors, our family, our friends in peace, supporting each other. and standing up for each other and the individual rights that you've given us all. Thank you so much. We love you. We love you so much, God Almighty. We love what you've done. We're thankful for Jesus Christ and the salvation that you have given us, that all we have to do is accept your gift. And we're thankful for that. We love you. In the name of Jesus Christ, we pray. Amen. Amen. Hallelujah, sister. Hallelujah. I know. Isn't it great? And what's really great is how God has brought all of us brothers and sisters in the Lord together who are willing to fight. And we're not afraid to die. This sucks to be them because they're afraid to die, right? We're not afraid to die because we know where we're going to go. And that fight is a worthy fight to do God's good and his good purposes and to defend each other. That's why we're here to serve each other, right? It's their chance. It is. So we're going to go to that point in the show, boys and girls, where we go to, ding, ding, ding, ding, go to brandoverforgovernment.com because I'm the best non-conceiver who's ever not conceded in the history of the United States of America. And I'd like to have a discussion with the rightful president of the United States, President Donald J. Trump, in cowboy boots. It's going to be great because I wear them every day. And I'm going to win that contest. Then we're going to start solving things. I'm pretty sure that they're already solving things. But at any rate, thank you to Patrick Burns today for coming on. And I hope the last few days has been very encouraging for everybody. If it isn't, listen harder and look harder because it's all coming around. We're privileged to be chosen to live at this time. We're privileged to be here with friends and neighbors and other patriots and people who are willing to die for our belief. It's a privilege to know each and every one of you out there somewhat through the, you know, through the cyber world. And I see names that are that are commenting here, Curtis and Cher and Karen and love is here and so many others. And I'm just thankful for all of you. And it's it's going to be a great day. So make it so. God bless you. God bless all those whom you love and God bless America. Make it a great day. We had all kinds of cool things we can do today. It's a wonderful time to be alive. Be an encouragement to others. We are the calm in the storm. It was designed this way. So just go out there and make it happen. Make sure people know that they're loved and that God is fighting for us and we're fighting together. And not only is there hope, the win is assured. I will plan on seeing you tomorrow. Have a wonderful day.